Pike - How Territorial?
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Pike - How Territorial?
Yallreet Lads,
Its something Ive been pondering for a while now and I hoped someone on here could give me some advice.
I know pike are territorial but to what extent im not sure. I saw a really big un tother day looking at my lure which was dangling about 2 inch above the water while i was rollin a cig. I sprung into action only to see it slowly swim off. I gave that area some right hammer with the spinners for the rest of the day with no luck.
How big an area of water do they cover/live in and do they stay there or roam around? Will the fish I saw stay in that area? Been looking around on the net and not got much.
Any help would be great.
Cheers, Chumley
Its something Ive been pondering for a while now and I hoped someone on here could give me some advice.
I know pike are territorial but to what extent im not sure. I saw a really big un tother day looking at my lure which was dangling about 2 inch above the water while i was rollin a cig. I sprung into action only to see it slowly swim off. I gave that area some right hammer with the spinners for the rest of the day with no luck.
How big an area of water do they cover/live in and do they stay there or roam around? Will the fish I saw stay in that area? Been looking around on the net and not got much.
Any help would be great.
Cheers, Chumley
Chumley Warner- Posts : 211
Join date : 2008-10-24
Age : 38
Location : Thorne/Lincoln
Re: Pike - How Territorial?
I don't think there's any evidence to suggest pike are in any way territorial. If I take a pike from a certain spot, I put a fresh bait back straight back in the very same place. Very often where you get one pike, you'll get more pike.
What I would say though is, small pike will generally stay clear of larger pike, simply because they're on the menu but it's very common to find several jacks or several doubles sitting in the same spots but rarely jacks and doubles together.
What I would say though is, small pike will generally stay clear of larger pike, simply because they're on the menu but it's very common to find several jacks or several doubles sitting in the same spots but rarely jacks and doubles together.
Andy Macfarlane- Posts : 1879
Join date : 2008-08-13
Location : Glasgow
Re: Pike - How Territorial?
I'm with Andy on this one. I don't think Pike are territorial because at certain times of the year they would go very hungry if they stayed put on the waters I fish.
Find the prey fish and the Pike will not be far away!!!
Find the prey fish and the Pike will not be far away!!!
adamscott- Posts : 107
Join date : 2008-11-14
Location : Lancashire
Re: Pike - How Territorial?
I reckon they`re very opportunisitic when it comes to territory, if they find a good place to lay in wait without being threatened they use it, i`ve caught pike from a spot before, returned the fish to the water and caught a different pike from that spot a short while later.
grahambrooke- Posts : 110
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Age : 50
Location : South Kirkby, Wakefield.
Re: Pike - How Territorial?
i went to a very large water on sunday, and i had the same fish i had 2 years ago on the same bait and from the same peg? first time i had it it weighed 16.8 this week 13.11 and is now it looks like it has a cataract on one eye. its the 3rd time i have had this fish in all and has been caught every time from the same peg and bait. i have never had any other repeat captures that i know of from this venue. in all this time and with such a large water this fish could have gone anywhere, but for some reason it seems that this fish seams to enjoy this area.
when i fished on the pike syndicate in the early 90's on lindholme there were also a couple of fish that seamed to get caught all the time from a very small area. so in answer to your question i think that at the end of the day it all comes down to the individual fish. yes i think 95% of pike are pretty nomadic, but 1 or 2 just like were they live. all the best MBA
when i fished on the pike syndicate in the early 90's on lindholme there were also a couple of fish that seamed to get caught all the time from a very small area. so in answer to your question i think that at the end of the day it all comes down to the individual fish. yes i think 95% of pike are pretty nomadic, but 1 or 2 just like were they live. all the best MBA
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MAD BAD ANGLER- Posts : 1587
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Re: Pike - How Territorial?
Ach a bit of a 'mug' fish Bad? That's a shame. There's a fish I've banked maybe 8 times myself and my friends have probably banked about the same number of times between them and for the very same reason you mentioned. A cataract in the eye. I will say this though, it remained around the 16lb mark and it was a bit tatty looking most times it was caught over about 3 years but the last time I caught it, I'm absolutely certain it's eye was getting a bit clearer and it put up a better fight so maybe there's hope for that fish. What do you think Bad? What's it's general condition like?
Andy Macfarlane- Posts : 1879
Join date : 2008-08-13
Location : Glasgow
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ON THE WHOLE IT SEEMS IN PRETTY GOOD NICK, AND FOR ITS LENGTH IT HAS A VERY LARGE HEAD. FINS AND TAIL ARE FINE, BUT THE COLOUR OF THE FISH IS VERY DARK, ALMOST JURASSIC LOOKING THAT MAKES ME THINK IT COULD BE QUITE AN OLD FISH. IT FIGHTS VERY WELL IN THE CLEAR WATER AND I DONT THINK THAT IT IS READY FOR THE BIG POND IN THE SKY YET.
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MAD BAD ANGLER- Posts : 1587
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Re: Pike - How Territorial?
Well you never know. It might regain a bit of clarity in the eye, unless you know different. I'd like to think it has some chance of recovery and then maybe you wouldn't catch it again...lol
Dave Lumb once posted a picture of a very fit looking double that was completely blind in BOTH eyes and here's the best part. He caught that on a lure!!
Just goes to show that blindness isn't certain death for a pike. It's other senses must be good enough for it to eek out a living quite successfully.
Dave Lumb once posted a picture of a very fit looking double that was completely blind in BOTH eyes and here's the best part. He caught that on a lure!!
Just goes to show that blindness isn't certain death for a pike. It's other senses must be good enough for it to eek out a living quite successfully.
Andy Macfarlane- Posts : 1879
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Location : Glasgow
Re: Pike - How Territorial?
totally agree with you on the sight front. i have had a few pike in the past with little or no sight, and for the most part they do ok for themselves. sometimes think a pike is over gunned just by having eyes
MAD BAD ANGLER- Posts : 1587
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Re: Pike - How Territorial?
Sometimes it does seem that way. They do seem to have the odds stacked in their favour but I guess most highly specialised predators all have their faults too.
Take the Peregrine Falcon. The Peregrine and the Pigeon travel at the exact same speed in level flight BUT the Pigeon is actually far more manoeuvrable so the Falcon actually has no chance of catching it, however the Peregrine has developed one particular skill and that's falling out of the sky at incredible speed, with sublime accuracy and it does this without making a sound and then.....kapow!!.....no more Pigeon. It only gets a few goes at this before it requires a substantial meal and if it fails, it'll die. Brilliant but by no means a sure thing.
Same with the Cheetah, the fastest mammal on Earth. Put a Cheetah and a Springbok together and there isn't much in it. If the battle of wits lasts for more than 20 or 30 seconds, the Springbok wins and the Cheetah look mighty stupid for the effort. Again, it only gets a few goes at this and matters can become very desperate, very quickly.
Our friend the Pike. Zero to 30mph in something like 6 feet. Man that's fast but how long can it keep that up for? Not long as you know. So, it does sometimes seem like the Pike cannot go wrong but you take into consideration that less than 1% become the apex predators we all know and love, the don't seem over-gunned at all.
Take the Peregrine Falcon. The Peregrine and the Pigeon travel at the exact same speed in level flight BUT the Pigeon is actually far more manoeuvrable so the Falcon actually has no chance of catching it, however the Peregrine has developed one particular skill and that's falling out of the sky at incredible speed, with sublime accuracy and it does this without making a sound and then.....kapow!!.....no more Pigeon. It only gets a few goes at this before it requires a substantial meal and if it fails, it'll die. Brilliant but by no means a sure thing.
Same with the Cheetah, the fastest mammal on Earth. Put a Cheetah and a Springbok together and there isn't much in it. If the battle of wits lasts for more than 20 or 30 seconds, the Springbok wins and the Cheetah look mighty stupid for the effort. Again, it only gets a few goes at this and matters can become very desperate, very quickly.
Our friend the Pike. Zero to 30mph in something like 6 feet. Man that's fast but how long can it keep that up for? Not long as you know. So, it does sometimes seem like the Pike cannot go wrong but you take into consideration that less than 1% become the apex predators we all know and love, the don't seem over-gunned at all.
Andy Macfarlane- Posts : 1879
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Location : Glasgow
Re: Pike - How Territorial?
Last season I caught the same fish twice in one session, in the same peg ,on same bait, fishing the same method within quarter of an hour.
Gavin1928 was fishing with me at the time and he got another one just feet away so maybe they not as solitary as some people believe.
Another session on the same river but further upstream, Gav and me got 4 pike from under the same tree all within 20 minutes.
CRAZY but fun. Kept us warm too, all that action
Gavin1928 was fishing with me at the time and he got another one just feet away so maybe they not as solitary as some people believe.
Another session on the same river but further upstream, Gav and me got 4 pike from under the same tree all within 20 minutes.
CRAZY but fun. Kept us warm too, all that action
Lefty- Posts : 1297
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TRUE
That day we will never forget, 4 fish in 2o mins in same spot. Treat pike like you would do any other fish, if the food source is there then so will the preditor its self AKA (The Pike) any fish will stay in the same area for a period of time giving that theres food there,
There a very inteligent fish pike, and belive myself and lefty on this one if the food source is there then so will the target, thats y next time i go pikeing on wht ever water, ill be chuming the area first with mashed up deadbaits just to get the scent where i want it,
There a very inteligent fish pike, and belive myself and lefty on this one if the food source is there then so will the target, thats y next time i go pikeing on wht ever water, ill be chuming the area first with mashed up deadbaits just to get the scent where i want it,
gavin1928- Posts : 14
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Re: Pike - How Territorial?
Surely every venue will be unique
In the drains and canals you are sure to find that pike will follow the food.
On an enclosed water like a gravel pit I recon the big ones are very terratorial.
Horses for courses
One thing I do know for sure is that most ANGLERS ARE TERRATORIAL!
Catch a nice fish and I bet you go back to the same peg. I know I do!
Catch one with an audience and there'll be a queue for that peg for the next few weeks!
Regards
Andy Webster
In the drains and canals you are sure to find that pike will follow the food.
On an enclosed water like a gravel pit I recon the big ones are very terratorial.
Horses for courses
One thing I do know for sure is that most ANGLERS ARE TERRATORIAL!
Catch a nice fish and I bet you go back to the same peg. I know I do!
Catch one with an audience and there'll be a queue for that peg for the next few weeks!
Regards
Andy Webster
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Re: Pike - How Territorial?
im a real sucker for that andy as well you know its always a problem though. if you read books it always says FIND THE FISH, so if you have a good day you have found the fish, so why not fish that peg next time? if its good for a couple of fish, then it follows that other pike will also find it to there liking. once your catch rate falls of then its time to move on.
that's my thinking anyway for what its worth. i know many of you will be of totally against what i say about fishing the same peg, but each to there own i say. i don't like moving, lazy YES suppose it is, but i do like to give a peg at least a full day to show its true potential, unless it is totally obvious pike are some were else. i have done a few leap frogging sessions with some success, but in general i set up in 1 spot and thats it, need a bomb to move me. all the best guys
that's my thinking anyway for what its worth. i know many of you will be of totally against what i say about fishing the same peg, but each to there own i say. i don't like moving, lazy YES suppose it is, but i do like to give a peg at least a full day to show its true potential, unless it is totally obvious pike are some were else. i have done a few leap frogging sessions with some success, but in general i set up in 1 spot and thats it, need a bomb to move me. all the best guys
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MAD BAD ANGLER- Posts : 1587
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pike being territorial?? ITS A POSSIBILITY
hi guys, i'm new here but i've just read this forum and couldnt help but comment..... in my experience pike are generally nomadic creatures but i know of one or two large (20lb +) pike in my local ponds that never seem to stray from one area in the lakes they inhabit, although this is a rare occurence as most of the repeat captures i have known are not from one particular spot.
robh107- Posts : 834
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Re: Pike - How Territorial?
Welcome to the forum Rob.
Andy Macfarlane- Posts : 1879
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The cock of the school doesn't have to move for anyone!
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Re: Pike - How Territorial?
I believe pike AND perch are territorial....i read an article which relate to this topic im my best book........."A recently fed pike will rest to digest it meal, but when a springy fish/lure come making a nuisance the pike will attack in sheer irritation and to protect it territory' a similar article fell in with the perch section... (you wouldn't like it if a 'noddy' came round causing havoc after a meal you'd be pretty annoyed)
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Andy Macfarlane wrote:I don't think there's any evidence to suggest pike are in any way territorial. If I take a pike from a certain spot, I put a fresh bait back straight back in the very same place. Very often where you get one pike, you'll get more pike.
What I would say though is, small pike will generally stay clear of larger pike, simply because they're on the menu but it's very common to find several jacks or several doubles sitting in the same spots but rarely jacks and doubles together.
im glad you said rarely there lol one of my previous pbs came between jacks one was silly small as well
but on the same theme its something ive always accepted as the case but in recent years im beginning to think size classes mix it up more often then i ever thought they would
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MrMakk wrote:I believe pike AND perch are territorial....i read an article which relate to this topic im my best book........."A recently fed pike will rest to digest it meal, but when a springy fish/lure come making a nuisance the pike will attack in sheer irritation and to protect it territory' a similar article fell in with the perch section... (you wouldn't like it if a 'noddy' came round causing havoc after a meal you'd be pretty annoyed)
spend a few years lure fishing and see how true that rings
follows are common, now if i read your quote from the book correctly that shouldnt happen
moral
dont beleive everything you read even in places like this one day i may be so certain of something and you may know it not to be true from your own experience
ps not having a go there it may read a bit like that but it isnt intended that way
anyway what is the book?
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noodle wrote:
anyway what is the book?
Tony miles 'coarse fishing a step by step guide'
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adie1200 wrote:Bet you got that book from Aldi
nope at my old school library sale when i first started fishing......
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adie1200 wrote:It was in Aldi last year for about £4
I got it and i think its rubbish
i find it good for showing you some good simple pics of rigs and the species
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