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Post  noodle on Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:37 am

AndyOBrien. wrote:Your right there, they are sharp which is one of the reasons I use them.

yup and good they are but not for me im afraid well on baits at least as i fish rather rocky waters and prefer much softer wired hooks as they dont stay snagged for long with heft braid or mono pulling on them, i dont think finer wired patterns of owners would be quite as easy to bend out and get everything back

but of your fishing snag free then i dont think you will find anything better

ive a few lures fitted with owners and in all honesty they are good but again i prefer hooks which are easier to bend such as mustad wide gapes duratin eagle claw 374's etc
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Post  Guest on Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:05 am

It takes quite a good pull but they will bend out, I don't want my Hooks to bend too easily because I don't want them to bend while playing a fish and that is why I rate the Owner st41s.

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Post  noodle on Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:44 am

have you ever had any hook bend while playing a fish?

ive only had one off the top of my head and that was on a cat in france after playing the bugger for 50 mins or so
the hook in question was a cox and rawle meat hook that was baited with a carp

even the tiny lightweight drennan carbon trebles have never bent on a pike for me
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Post  Guest on Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:47 am

I've bent every make of treble I've used playing Pike, apart from the Owners.

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Post  deadbait on Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:48 pm

AndyOBrien. wrote:I've bent every make of treble I've used playing Pike, apart from the Owners.

no way how much pressure can you apply with a rod i bet its no more than 8lb max you must be using broom sticks for rods Shocked
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Post  Guest on Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:41 pm

So your saying its impossible to bend a treble playing a fish?

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Post  deadbait on Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:02 pm

no but it should not happen a lot, if you are always bending hooks open id learn how to use your drag/back wind just my opinion i use fine wire vmcs and have for the last 2 years and taken pike to 23lb on them and never bent one playing a fish Very Happy
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Post  daveb on Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:38 pm

I had a go with the Fox 2XS trebbles (ultra strong) but I found them to thick a gauge wire and decided to go back to the standard ones.

Only time I've ever bent a trebble is on a really bad snag - never once had it happen with a fish.

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Post  Guest on Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:23 pm

deadbait wrote:no but it should not happen a lot, if you are always bending hooks open id learn how to use your drag/back wind just my opinion i use fine wire vmcs and have for the last 2 years and taken pike to 23lb on them and never bent one playing a fish Very Happy

I like to get my fish in not take them for a walk, I wasn't bending hooks all the time but the odd one is bad enough imo, could be a lump lost.


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Post  noodle on Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:47 am

see im not light handed with fish and put the pressure on

in real terms see how much pressure you can apply through a rod it wont be much higher than the rods TC.
try it better still try it with the same rod with mono and braid Wink

and ive never bent a hook in a pike even size ten drennan carbon trebles on some reasonable fish from the larger waters up this way
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Post  Guest on Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:40 am

Strange, I've bent plenty.

But having a Hook bend (not just trebles) is hardly unheard of as some of you are trying to portray is it?

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Post  daveb on Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:31 pm

Strange, I've bent plenty.

But having a Hook bend (not just trebles) is hardly unheard of as some of you are trying to portray is it?

What type of rods are you using Andy??
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Post  Andy Webster on Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:56 pm

I have managed to bend hooks only when the pike is in the net and a hook has caught in the mesh with the weight of the pike pulling against the hook or when the pike spins in the net.

I recon you want a hook to bend when you are snagged and are pulling the line by hand.

You shouldn't be able to open up a hook just by leaning into a fish, or even a snag, with the rod bent over as you can't exert enough pressure without the rod snapping.

Think of the term 3 pound test curve. This is the pressure needed to bend the rod 90 degrees. No hook should open under 3 pound of pressure.

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Post  Guest on Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:20 pm

I'm teling you using a few different types of trebles in the past I've bent plenty, I'd imagine its due to that point not penetrating properly giving a bit more chance of bending one of the hooks.

But as I have stated earlier I'm happy with the Owners(st41) and not had one bend on a fish.

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Post  greg on Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:44 pm

the red vmc's bend or snap, taking them out of a pike.
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Post  noodle on Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:06 am

AndyOBrien. wrote:I'm teling you using a few different types of trebles in the past I've bent plenty, I'd imagine its due to that point not penetrating properly giving a bit more chance of bending one of the hooks.

But as I have stated earlier I'm happy with the Owners(st41) and not had one bend on a fish.

so its not under normal conditions then?

in that case ive bent a good few usually when the point has been tturned over prior to hooking the pike
its not the same and shoudlnt be considered in that way

anyway all have your say

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Post  greg on Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:16 pm

thats a friendly site noodle Very Happy . rather blunt answers, wheres the love lol! lol!
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