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Post  cavemandom on Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:27 pm

I want to start spicing my deadbait up, whats the best Flavors/Oils to use, do certain flavours/Oils get better results in different seasons of the year.

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Post  dave78 on Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:56 pm

hi caveman

i tried alot last year with different oils, tuna, hallibut, smelt, predetor plus, you name it i tried it............. did it make a differnce? who knows.
but to be honest, the best and cheapest oil i found, was in morrisons , good old fish sauce Laughing
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Post  tootall on Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:29 pm

salmon oil Smile
all year round.
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Post  cavemandom on Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:39 pm

dave78 wrote:hi caveman

i tried alot last year with different oils, tuna, hallibut, smelt, predetor plus, you name it i tried it............. did it make a differnce? who knows.
but to be honest, the best and cheapest oil i found, was in morrisons , good old fish sauce Laughing

"is that the stir fry stuff"

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Post  cavemandom on Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:46 pm

I'v read, mixing the oil or flavor with milk, 50/50, it suppose to help the additives disperse better and creates a visible cloud, also inserting an Alka -Saltzer tablet into the dead bait, the fizzing of the tab makes the bait twitch, especially popped up bait, you ever tried it?

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Post  Guest on Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:25 pm

Theres only one oil I'd put on a Deadbait and its these;

http://www.eddieturner.co.uk/pike-tackle/Oils-20-1

The Best.

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Post  tackle tart on Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:51 pm

Do i oils make a difference ?? who knows!! but if it give you confidence to use it then use it .
I have to say i,ve not seen any significant difference in results and to be honest it would be difficult to say whether is does, but is can,t hurt to have oils releasing into the flow to hopefully draw the predator to your bait ,but just make sure its a winterised oil
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Post  dave78 on Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:07 pm

cavemandom wrote:
dave78 wrote:hi caveman

i tried alot last year with different oils, tuna, hallibut, smelt, predetor plus, you name it i tried it............. did it make a differnce? who knows.
but to be honest, the best and cheapest oil i found, was in morrisons , good old fish sauce Laughing

"is that the stir fry stuff"

the very same stuff, i've found it as strong and oily as any branded oil , and great value for money.
also, i sometimes fish a maggot feeder rather than a lead, filling it with chopped fish and injected with oil, just to add scent into my swim, again, might not make a differnce, but gives me hope
lol! lol! lol!
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Post  Rich on Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:35 pm

i use chopped up rabbit livers and chopped up sardines in an open ended feeder and found this to work well Very Happy Very Happy

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Post  noodle on Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:28 am

oils dont really work as an attractor they are not soluble in water
most oils in bait are there for food value
they do have a use though with dead baits bar the extra food value

if anything disturbs your bait added oil certainly alerts you to it

anyway my oil of choice
http://www.robinsons-uk.com/products/ProductDetail.asp?ProductCode=76206&campaign=Basefeed

you can get it cheaper that is just the shop near me
also check out the codlivine

any old hands at carping remember that one
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Post  Guest on Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:00 am

Emulsified, water soluble oils do.

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Post  cavemandom on Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:04 am

AndyOBrien. wrote:Emulsified, water soluble oils do.
do you use oils Andy?

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Post  stubbo on Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:30 pm

ive heard he uses a lot of baby oil lol! lol! lol!
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Post  noodle on Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:46 am

cavemandom wrote:
AndyOBrien. wrote:Emulsified, water soluble oils do.
do you use oils Andy?

true and how many of those are there?

consider this as well most emulsifiers that can be used are not the nicest of chemicals (nutrabaits use only one emulsifier for that reason) and also rely on temprature in a good few cases

use oils it wont do you any harm but think and really think about what they do achieve

flaavours on the other hand especially EA ones work as an attractor weather for pike (when piking this) or on silver fish that then attract pike ive no idea and couldnt prove one way or another
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Post  Guest on Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:02 am

cavemandom wrote:
AndyOBrien. wrote:Emulsified, water soluble oils do.
do you use oils Andy?

Yes, I use Eddies oils on most of my deads.

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Post  Guest on Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:13 am

noodle wrote:
cavemandom wrote:
AndyOBrien. wrote:Emulsified, water soluble oils do.
do you use oils Andy?

true and how many of those are there?

consider this as well most emulsifiers that can be used are not the nicest of chemicals (nutrabaits use only one emulsifier for that reason) and also rely on temprature in a good few cases

use oils it wont do you any harm but think and really think about what they do achieve

flaavours on the other hand especially EA ones work as an attractor weather for pike (when piking this) or on silver fish that then attract pike ive no idea and couldnt prove one way or another


Granted there isn't many, I use what I believe to be the best.

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Post  Andy Webster on Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:23 pm

Has anyone tried those paint on flavours?

http://www.dynamitebaits.com/index.php?id=878&usergroup=specimen

They should interest anyone looking to spice up their deadbaits.

It shouldn't be too hard to make something like this up, especially for the experienced carpers amongst us. Dip the deadbait before freezing. Just remember to do it when the missus is out.

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Post  cavemandom on Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:39 pm

AndyOBrien. wrote:
noodle wrote:
cavemandom wrote:
AndyOBrien. wrote:Emulsified, water soluble oils do.
do you use oils Andy?

true and how many of those are there?

consider this as well most emulsifiers that can be used are not the nicest of chemicals (nutrabaits use only one emulsifier for that reason) and also rely on temprature in a good few cases

use oils it wont do you any harm but think and really think about what they do achieve

flaavours on the other hand especially EA ones work as an attractor weather for pike (when piking this) or on silver fish that then attract pike ive no idea and couldnt prove one way or another


Granted there isn't many, I use what I believe to be the best.


I have read that mixing with milk 50/50 helps to disperse the oils better..

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Post  Alex Makk on Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:48 pm

cavemandom wrote:
AndyOBrien. wrote:
noodle wrote:
cavemandom wrote:
AndyOBrien. wrote:Emulsified, water soluble oils do.
do you use oils Andy?

true and how many of those are there?

consider this as well most emulsifiers that can be used are not the nicest of chemicals (nutrabaits use only one emulsifier for that reason) and also rely on temprature in a good few cases

use oils it wont do you any harm but think and really think about what they do achieve

flaavours on the other hand especially EA ones work as an attractor weather for pike (when piking this) or on silver fish that then attract pike ive no idea and couldnt prove one way or another


Granted there isn't many, I use what I believe to be the best.


I have read that mixing with milk 50/50 helps to disperse the oils better..
i think it's more of a visual attractant i think i have heard a similar thing, but with milk??????
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Post  cavemandom on Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:13 pm

MrMakk wrote:
cavemandom wrote:
AndyOBrien. wrote:
noodle wrote:
cavemandom wrote:
AndyOBrien. wrote:Emulsified, water soluble oils do.
do you use oils Andy?

true and how many of those are there?

consider this as well most emulsifiers that can be used are not the nicest of chemicals (nutrabaits use only one emulsifier for that reason) and also rely on temprature in a good few cases

use oils it wont do you any harm but think and really think about what they do achieve

flaavours on the other hand especially EA ones work as an attractor weather for pike (when piking this) or on silver fish that then attract pike ive no idea and couldnt prove one way or another


Granted there isn't many, I use what I believe to be the best.


I have read that mixing with milk 50/50 helps to disperse the oils better..
i think it's more of a visual attractant i think i have heard a similar thing, but with milk??????

Ming oil is is a very light oil and disperses evenly and quickly, even in cold water, it does not thicken in cold water like heavier oils, it's also made up with a blend of ming and vegtable oil...

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Post  noodle on Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:15 pm

cavemandom wrote:
AndyOBrien. wrote:
noodle wrote:
cavemandom wrote:
AndyOBrien. wrote:Emulsified, water soluble oils do.
do you use oils Andy?

true and how many of those are there?

consider this as well most emulsifiers that can be used are not the nicest of chemicals (nutrabaits use only one emulsifier for that reason) and also rely on temprature in a good few cases

use oils it wont do you any harm but think and really think about what they do achieve

flaavours on the other hand especially EA ones work as an attractor weather for pike (when piking this) or on silver fish that then attract pike ive no idea and couldnt prove one way or another


Granted there isn't many, I use what I believe to be the best.


I have read that mixing with milk 50/50 helps to disperse the oils better..

makes more sense than you may have given it credit for milk is an emulsion, and as such is full of emulsifiers
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Post  cavemandom on Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:20 pm

noodle wrote:
cavemandom wrote:
AndyOBrien. wrote:
noodle wrote:
cavemandom wrote:
AndyOBrien. wrote:Emulsified, water soluble oils do.
do you use oils Andy?

true and how many of those are there?

consider this as well most emulsifiers that can be used are not the nicest of chemicals (nutrabaits use only one emulsifier for that reason) and also rely on temprature in a good few cases

use oils it wont do you any harm but think and really think about what they do achieve

flaavours on the other hand especially EA ones work as an attractor weather for pike (when piking this) or on silver fish that then attract pike ive no idea and couldnt prove one way or another


Granted there isn't many, I use what I believe to be the best.


I have read that mixing with milk 50/50 helps to disperse the oils better..

makes more sense than you may have given it credit for milk is an emulsion, and as such is full of emulsifiers


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Post  cavemandom on Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:26 pm

theirs a good write up on oils and flavors on Bainton Fisheries site, click the link

http://www.baintonfisheries.co.uk/articles/livendead.htm

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Post  nickcarpy on Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:45 am

some carpers use condensed milk in spod mixes,it causes a cloud around bait
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Post  cavemandom on Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:08 pm

just got back from the PAC convention at Kettering, I picked up some Haggis oil, I bought it from Nev Ficklings stall, 100% water soluble, and it's concentrated, it absolutely hum's...

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