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Post  Chumley Warner on Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:36 pm

Yallreet Folks,

Since Ive moved to braid I want to up the strength of my wire trace for obvious reasons. Im struggling to find any on the internet with about 50lb bs. Ive seen the solid "jerkbait traces" at high bs but Im not keen on them.

Just wondered what bs wire traces you guys use with the lures and braid and where can I get them at a decent price.

I know its cheaper to make my own but Im completely useless when it comes to this so any advice on what materials, how much, etc, I need to make my own would also be great.

Regards, Chumley
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Post  fozzy on Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:19 pm

To be honest mate I tend to stick with the solid jerkbait leaders for most of heavy stuff,and 30 pound carboflex does me for the rest Smile

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Post  esoxjeff on Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:07 pm

think about it mate?? would you see a roach angler using heavier hook lenght than main line. 30lb wire should see you ok in any water,(if it dont) give me a buzz cos that would hold one monster PIKE
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Post  Chumley Warner on Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:37 pm

The reason for the heavier trace is not for the fish, its for the snags im finding on those odd annoying occasions. Id rather have tackle that bit stronger to counter this problem than loose my lures. One of the main resons I changed to braid was that I felt like I was just throwing tenners into the swim every trip.
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Post  fozzy on Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:51 pm

esoxjeff wrote:think about it mate?? would you see a roach angler using heavier hook lenght than main line. 30lb wire should see you ok in any water,(if it dont) give me a buzz cos that would hold one monster PIKE



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just dont try launching 100g jerks without 60-80lb braid +a propper beefy leeder cos they will crack off

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Post  Walter on Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:01 pm

you will straighten the hook or pull the shopping trolley out of the river with 30 lb trace wire so dont worry about going any heavier. if you snagg good and proper then surely you need the trace to go before the braid. that or fish somewhere less snaggy Rolling Eyes Cool

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Post  fozzy on Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:15 pm

think about casting the weight,not just the retreive and ballance your tackle accordingly Wink

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Post  noodle on Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:04 am

Chumley Warner wrote:Yallreet Folks,

Since Ive moved to braid I want to up the strength of my wire trace for obvious reasons. Im struggling to find any on the internet with about 50lb bs. Ive seen the solid "jerkbait traces" at high bs but Im not keen on them.

Just wondered what bs wire traces you guys use with the lures and braid and where can I get them at a decent price.

I know its cheaper to make my own but Im completely useless when it comes to this so any advice on what materials, how much, etc, I need to make my own would also be great.

Regards, Chumley

what size lures are you throwing?
i use traces from 28lb up to 274lb bs in a variety of materials seven strand single strand stainless steel and Ti for lure fishing it really all depends on the lures you using
carbo flex in 40lb makes a good trace for ickle pike lures there are brands such as AFW, veals that do heavier breaking strains you only need the rigid single strand leaders for jerkbaiting and glidebaits inparticular as a supple trace with those can lead to lots of tangles and bite offs due to the way the bait behaves.

A good compromise and one im getting into more are Titanium leaders they weigh far less than steel so work with crankbaits such as jakes gradmas etc better but if your using some of the jerkbaits with them you may need to play around with split rings hooks lead wire etc to get them working right again (less weight on the trace end will see the now heavier tail end cause the bait to rise in the water)
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Post  nickcarpy on Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:33 am

274lb bs,that great white stuff Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing after agree with jeff,you can learn alot from matchmen.when first startedfishing 25plus years ago we allways were told tohave lower bs than main line,nowadays everybody carp/pike anglers seem to go opposite?
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Post  fozzy on Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:30 pm

There is no place for dainty presentation in my lure fishing,cant see what match fishing has ever had to do with piking

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Post  noodle on Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:14 pm

nickcarpy wrote:274lb bs,that great white stuff Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing after agree with jeff,you can learn alot from matchmen.when first startedfishing 25plus years ago we allways were told tohave lower bs than main line,nowadays everybody carp/pike anglers seem to go opposite?

try casting and retrieiving 8 ounces of glide bait on somehing lighter, actually thats a typo it should be 174lbs

i take it you throw smaller lures then?
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Post  noodle on Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:20 pm

chumley google dave lumb specialist tackle im one handed at the mo with a baby and keep messin the link up he does some traces you may want to look at
http://www.dlst.co.uk/

or ive used these as well but they dont have a swivel they utilise a split ring so if your using things like bucktails or ither inline spinners id avoid em
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/9-12-SOLID-TITANIUM-JERK-BAIT-LEADERS_W0QQitemZ150304603487QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item150304603487&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1301%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
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Post  nickcarpy on Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:31 pm

i dont do much lure fishing,my comment was it seems high but iam no expert.used 200lb trace for rays an wahoo,tuna ect. Smile
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Post  esoxjeff on Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:32 pm

Hi
yes I agree you will need to use heavier braid to trace ratio,
30/50braid to 28/30 wire is ONLY an example that I use,
when I used to fish snaggy waters I just beefed up the ratio,
as for hooks some of todays hooks border on being hazardous to pike, I often change rank hooks for hooks that will straighten or break if I hit a imovable snag, that way, I get my lure back minus a hook (what's the cost of a hook compared to a damaged pike)
before you all shout at me,
just take a look in the press and see how large lure hooks hvae damaged fish(unintentionally yes) but it does happen.
catch pike yes but NOT at the expence of a fish?
sorry but thats my view PIKE welfare come first!!
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Post  fozzy on Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:15 pm

esoxjeff wrote:Hi
yes I agree you will need to use heavier braid to trace ratio,
30/50braid to 28/30 wire is ONLY an example that I use,
when I used to fish snaggy waters I just beefed up the ratio,
as for hooks some of todays hooks border on being hazardous to pike, I often change rank hooks for hooks that will straighten or break if I hit a imovable snag, that way, I get my lure back minus a hook (what's the cost of a hook compared to a damaged pike)
before you all shout at me,
just take a look in the press and see how large lure hooks hvae damaged fish(unintentionally yes) but it does happen.
catch pike yes but NOT at the expence of a fish?
sorry but thats my view PIKE welfare come first!!

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Post  esoxjeff on Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:34 pm

cheers mate Wink
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Post  noodle on Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:01 am

esoxjeff wrote:Hi
yes I agree you will need to use heavier braid to trace ratio,
30/50braid to 28/30 wire is ONLY an example that I use,
when I used to fish snaggy waters I just beefed up the ratio,
as for hooks some of todays hooks border on being hazardous to pike, I often change rank hooks for hooks that will straighten or break if I hit a imovable snag, that way, I get my lure back minus a hook (what's the cost of a hook compared to a damaged pike)
before you all shout at me,
just take a look in the press and see how large lure hooks hvae damaged fish(unintentionally yes) but it does happen.
catch pike yes but NOT at the expence of a fish?
sorry but thats my view PIKE welfare come first!!

what hooks do you put on then? only asking as i pput the finest wire hooks i can get onto my lures things like the cheap fladen plated ones

i aggree i dont like the 3and 4x sort of wire some lures come with unfortunatly some of them are so critically balanced with these hookschanging them can throw the action of the lure out dramatically
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Post  Lefty on Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:39 pm

Chumley Warner wrote:I know its cheaper to make my own but Im completely useless when it comes to this so any advice on what materials, how much, etc, I need to make my own would also be great

Follow this link for the exact same way that I make up my traces. I know this shows for deadbaiting but I use this method for my spinning traces too without any problem.

http://www.foxint.com/articles.php?lang=&article=48

Hope this helps.
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