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Post  ianbrooke on Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:58 pm

Guess this could cause a bit of debate but how long do you wait until you strike when using a deadbait or livebait ?
as I have said in the introductions I normally only fish the rivers using sink and draw so have never really thought about it

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Post  kell on Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:48 pm

As soon as possible in my book but a lot depends on bait if using a sprat stright away every time bigger baits just a tad longer ?
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Post  Andy Macfarlane on Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:11 pm

I don't think the bait size comes into it. When the initial first run happens, the pike should have the bait across it's mouth, so if there's a treble half way down the flank of the bait, there's not a reason to wait, regardless of whether the bait is 4 inches or 14 inches.

For that reason, I've always hit into fish immediately and it's rare for me not to connect. I also think that by waiting for any period of time, even if it's just a few seconds, you risk striking into the fish just as it is about to turn the bait for swallowing.
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Post  treble on Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:07 pm

try finding some videos of pike taking bait and make your own mind up. iv'e learned allot from just watching them grab a bait in under water videos. what i would say is when a pike takes your bait and goes on a run, wait for it to stop, pick up your rod wind in any slack then wind in just so the pike feels a little tension then strike but not too strongly. i think that when the pike feels the tension it will maybe bite down a bit harder, then give a hook setting strike. (make sure you have sharpened your hooks the night before)
if the pike doesn't run i think its big enough to take your whole bait in its mouth. i dont think its a question of time but whether the pike runs or not and always flatten the barbs on the trebles that are not hooking your bait. but its a personal thing of when to strike, you will know the size of bait you're using and how far/where your hooks are but i dont think im an expert and im always learning as iv'e pike fished for many years just to have a day out with my son. but through this site and youtube videos im getting better ideas. Idea

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Post  tomthepiker on Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:30 pm

I agree with andy soon as I see the float go I'm on the rod and striking it I just don't want to have a situation where the trebles half way down its belly not really worth the risk
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Post  jimlad on Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:47 am

Get it hit. In the very rare occasion that it doesn't hook up, the pike often comes back for another go anyway if your patient
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Post  Idlepiker on Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:57 pm

Nearly straight away. Would rather lose one than deep hook one.
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Post  rozzo on Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:02 pm

like wise i find it very difficult to delay striking. yeh i miss the odd fish but who cares. rather that than deep hooking Cool
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Post  ianbrooke on Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:07 pm

thanks everyone for the advice

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Post  onetoner on Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:41 pm

yep soon as possible i strike as soon as the float starts drifting away. im a firm believer in if the floats moving
then the baits in the mouth and hopefully a treble with it Very Happy
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Post  stubbo on Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:16 pm

treble wrote:try finding some videos of pike taking bait and make your own mind up. iv'e learned allot from just watching them grab a bait in under water videos. what i would say is when a pike takes your bait and goes on a run, wait for it to stop, pick up your rod wind in any slack then wind in just so the pike feels a little tension then strike but not too strongly. i think that when the pike feels the tension it will maybe bite down a bit harder, then give a hook setting strike. (make sure you have sharpened your hooks the night before)
if the pike doesn't run i think its big enough to take your whole bait in its mouth. i dont think its a question of time but whether the pike runs or not and always flatten the barbs on the trebles that are not hooking your bait. but its a personal thing of when to strike, you will know the size of bait you're using and how far/where your hooks are but i dont think im an expert and im always learning as iv'e pike fished for many years just to have a day out with my son. but through this site and youtube videos im getting better ideas. Idea
for the pikes safety pal get into the habbit of striking as soon as that float or that dropback goes dont wait till it stops pal your playing a dangerous game pal and the pike will lose.........not having a go but beleive me you will come unstuck leaving a bait out there to long.we all want them pike to go back to grow into monsters Very Happy
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Post  Andy Macfarlane on Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:45 am

When the fish stops it's run, that's generally when it's going to turn the bait and if you're going to lose the fish, it'll be then. If you don't happen to lose the fish, you risk deep-hooking because the turn takes no time at all.
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Post  Dave-Newman on Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:33 am

you guys wanna try fishing the lake i fished at the weekend (had the 30 from there)

makes no odds when you strike, being straight away, 10secs, longer etc, they will still drop it, or you will strike into nothing. Absolute pain in the blep they are.

i missed 2
mates lost 2
i caught only 1.
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Post  stubbo on Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:54 am

Andy Macfarlane wrote:When the fish stops it's run, that's generally when it's going to turn the bait and if you're going to lose the fish, it'll be then. If you don't happen to lose the fish, you risk deep-hooking because the turn takes no time at all.
very true andy.....remember years ago they used to say smoke a fag then strike ....i kid you not Sad
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Post  treble on Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:43 pm

al give early striking a go, not that i really waited more than 2 or 3 seconds after the pike stopped running before and last time both pike fell off the hooks on the bank, forceps never came out my pocket the whole day, but with using sardines and sharpening my hooks i would be allot more confident striking on the run.

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Post  adie1200 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:47 pm

I pull into them as soon as theres any indication of a take i might miss a few but better than deep hooking one Wink Very Happy Very Happy
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Post  treble on Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:16 pm

like i said im allot happier with my bait now and flattening 2 of the barbs makes life easier

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Post  nightwatchman on Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:47 pm

If you"re fishing with a double hook set up using trebles as soon as the pike picks up the bait even side ways on at least one treble will be inside its mouth so strike straight away.
I don't think you can afford to wait for a run in my opinion as I've had pike pick up a bait then turn it and swallow without moving off the spot!.
I've sturck as soon as there's a blip on the alarm and the indicator has moved and still found my rig right at the back of the pikes throat.
On the odd occassion I've missed the fish on the strike a recast usually works Wink
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Post  Andy Macfarlane on Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:05 pm

nightwatchman wrote:
I don't think you can afford to wait for a run in my opinion as I've had pike pick up a bait then turn it and swallow without moving off the spot!.
I've sturck as soon as there's a blip on the alarm and the indicator has moved and still found my rig right at the back of the pikes throat.

I think any indication, regardless of how small is what the instant hitters are driving at. The word 'run' is, in this case, just the term most generally applied to any form of take. It's just fallen into the pikers lingo as any kind of indication that a pike has taken the bait.

I take your point though.
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Post  treble on Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:12 pm

i could'nt really disagree with any ones comments. old habits die hard on my part.
the pike seem less likely to move off with the bait float fished mid water or well enough off the bottom iv found. is it because the pike can take the bait and still have good vision all around it? or is it the biggest of any pike close to it and doesn't feel threatened? or both?
i rarely float fish, the trace is usually the only tackle i use and the pike always moves off with it. probably my idea to let the pike run has came from a combination of letting the pike tire itself out and playing the fish from further out.
my habit of letting the fish have a good chew has came from a time when i hardly checked my hooks for sharpness and had allot of takes one day and lost a load of fish some were just holding onto the bait and letting go when near the bank. this has made me change from quite heavy and dense 3rd to a half mackerel to soft small sardine and checking my hooks before every outing. so now i would be confident of striking early

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Post  Andy Macfarlane on Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:11 am

treble wrote:
the pike seem less likely to move off with the bait float fished mid water or well enough off the bottom iv found. is it because the pike can take the bait and still have good vision all around it? or is it the biggest of any pike close to it and doesn't feel threatened? or both?

Perhaps it's more the case that it's been your experience of float or pop-up fishing so far. Pike often do scream off with baits popped-up or fished under floats. I find popped-up baits result in some proper screamers and I think that's mainly because the pike can take the bait on the move without stopping. A bait hard on the deck has to be picked up, maybe rooted out and in some cases agitated with expelled water to blow it up off the bottom but whatever the case, the pike has to stop.

You raise a point though. I've suggested myself the reasons for pike 'running' in the past and all I can think of is the pike would rather eat in peace, away from the attentions of 'something else'. I've sometimes imagined it's like the chicken that's found the worm and the rest all want a piece but it doesn't really explain why a 20lb plus would run like hell. It can't always be because there's a bigger fish nearby. I've caught what I reckon are the biggest fish in some waters, yet they still hare off at full tilt. Perhaps it's a reminant memory or instinct retained from when the fish was a juvenile and it's just that some habits never truly go away. It could go back further than that and it's hardwired in their DNA.

You have to bear in mind that pike weren't always the apex predators they are now. I've never been able to pin a proper figure for how long pike have been around but it's at least 20 million years and by some accounts, up to 200 million years. In that time, the pike has changed little, if at all. Many predators will have come and gone but it would have been the smart thing to do to find peace and quiet, without the threat of being predated on or having a meal stolen.

I've seen it written that running might aid swallowing the bait but I don't really buy that, with the pike's cavernous mouth and ability to wolf down prey up to a 3rd of their bodyweight. A little deadbait wouldn't require pelting off at full tilt, when a tiny gulp will suffice.

I don't know. Maybe someone else has an idea of their own....anyone??
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Post  stubbo on Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:53 pm

maybe they used to hunt in large shoals like tuna fish millions of years ago who knows andy think i read somewhere 350 millions fossil found of a pike
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