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Re: Deadbaiting questions.

Post  Bazz on Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:09 am

The way Graeme does it on the video works well... He uses Partridge double hooks which are as rare as rocking horse manure but a pair of large singles works well, or trebles. A swan shot squeezed onto the trace just in front of the bait fishes nose works well, its pretty well free-lining the bait on the retrieve. I fish on a small local river, caught more Pike on twitched deads there than anywhere else, its deadly! I fish fly too on a 9' 9wt Vision Big Daddy rod, pretty good technique. Do you fly-fish for Pike? Wink

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Post  cobbler on Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:32 am

They have some Partridge double hooks here http://www.onepoundfishingtackle.co.uk/product/partridge-vb-pike-down-eye-10-x-size-8s-offset-doubles/
There was other sizes but I think I`ve bought them all Very Happy

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Post  Flyfishin on Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:11 pm

Bazz wrote:The way Graeme does it on the video works well... He uses Partridge double hooks which are as rare as rocking horse manure but a pair of large singles works well, or trebles. A swan shot squeezed onto the trace just in front of the bait fishes nose works well, its pretty well free-lining the bait on the retrieve. I fish on a small local river, caught more Pike on twitched deads there than anywhere else, its deadly! I fish fly too on a 9' 9wt Vision Big Daddy rod, pretty good technique. Do you fly-fish for Pike? Wink

Thanks for Reply I really like TAF there great videos, Actually I Normally Fly fish for Salmon and trout During the summer In Ireland and give the Pike a rest till October, I've Tried it though great fun I Just cant seem to cast well with a high Rated fly rod like #9 or #10 I might give it a few more trys this season!

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Post  Flyfishin on Sat Oct 08, 2016 6:10 pm

Hi lads

Sorry for double posting but I had a look at second hand Delkims alarms there seems to be a few around 30£ + there the Ev plus version, what line holder indicator should I get with Delkim I was looking the delkim es but it's a bit steal at 30£ any suggestions?


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Re: Deadbaiting questions.

Post  stubbo on Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:23 pm

Flyfishin wrote:I have some perch too small though how would you approach the river? with a ledger rig?
if there are trout in your river . try one of those you would sure to get a take pal
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treble posting

Post  stubbo on Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:27 pm

don't know what happened there with that posting
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Re: Deadbaiting questions.

Post  adie1200 on Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:17 am

stubbo wrote: don't know what happened there with that posting

lol! lol! lol! Sorted it Stubbo lol you must have tapped the post button 3 times lol!
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Re: Deadbaiting questions.

Post  Flyfishin on Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:22 pm

Thanks for the suggestion

Will try it out! Very Happy

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Re: Deadbaiting questions.

Post  Flyfishin on Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:47 pm

Well lads


Had a go in a new stretch way down where I normally fish, started with savage gear lures nothing, changed to a Abu garcia hi los and fished it deeply and had a follow from a very decent pike about 15lb plus she inspected the lure and turned away the spot itself looked very pikey! Trees all around and deep,

I've a new plan to go out a deadbait that spot a good idea? ill probably go with a legered setup a good idea? Haven't tried deadbaiting much on rivers so any advice ?



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Post  piketastic on Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:27 pm

Well FF, there are a few options for you in that case. It could be worth travelling light on the first trip and having perhaps one or two rods maximum and spend an hour or so in each likely looking haunt before moving to the next spot. Even peg to peg.
You could ledger a dead bait on the alarm and on the other rod have a float fished dead bait covering the swim off bottom , in the flow.
This way you should be lucky enough to find one or two pike holding areas.
Good luck mate !
P.S .....you can believe me when I say that I'm already excited thinking about how you are going to go on!😀👍
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Post  mal wynne on Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:16 pm

it,s deffinitely worth having a go where you had the follow mate , also have you tried the savage gear "real eel" , I,ve got a lot of faith in them worked slow and deep on rivers Smile

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Post  Flyfishin on Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:21 pm

piketastic wrote:Well FF, there are a few options for you in that case. It could be worth travelling light on the first trip and having perhaps one or two rods maximum and spend an hour or so in each likely looking haunt before moving to the next spot. Even peg to peg.
You could ledger a dead bait on the alarm and on the other rod have a float fished dead bait covering the swim off bottom , in the flow.
This way you should be lucky enough to find one or two pike holding areas.
Good luck mate !
P.S .....you can believe me when I say that I'm already excited thinking about how you are going to go on!😀👍
Cheers Craig.

Cheers for the reply

I can't wait to get back myself!! Only prob that there's a fair bit of weed around, should be gone in about 2 weeks and I've a few days off and I'll hit it should update the thread around then, also I might try and stick to 1 deadbaiting rod as I've to walk a few miles and jump drains etc! What method should I stick to?

As for deadbait fish what should I use ? I was think trout as stated above any other suggestions ?

I used the reel eel for awhile not in that swim and no luck green 19cm I herd if you change the position of the tail is fishes different?



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Re: Deadbaiting questions.

Post  stubbo on Sat Oct 15, 2016 7:42 pm

Flyfishin wrote:
piketastic wrote:Well FF, there are a few options for you in that case. It could be worth travelling light on the first trip and having perhaps one or two rods maximum and spend an hour or so in each likely looking haunt before moving to the next spot. Even peg to peg.
You could ledger a dead bait on the alarm and on the other rod have a float fished dead bait covering the swim off bottom , in the flow.
This way you should be lucky enough to find one or two pike holding areas.
Good luck mate !
P.S .....you can believe me when I say that I'm already excited thinking about how you are going to go on!😀👍
Cheers Craig.

Cheers for the reply

I can't wait to get back myself!! Only prob that there's a fair bit of weed around,  should be gone in about 2 weeks and I've a few days off and I'll hit it should update the thread around then, also I might try and stick to 1 deadbaiting rod as I've to walk a few miles and jump drains etc! What method should I stick to?

As for deadbait fish what should I use ? I was think trout as stated above any other suggestions ?

I used the reel eel for awhile not in that swim and no luck green 19cm I herd if you change the position of the tail is fishes different?



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Re: Deadbaiting questions.

Post  Flyfishin on Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:26 pm

Cheers

What popup rigs would we suggest? I currently have greys prowla popups but I don't think my deadbait is fishing right at all! When I went to the river a while back the whole deadbait was floating until you tightened up with the ledger I was using a half piece of deadbait and there large popups, any suggestions?


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Post  stubbo on Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:35 pm

Flyfishin wrote:Cheers

What popup rigs would we suggest? I currently have greys prowla popups but I don't think my deadbait is fishing right at all! When I went to the river a while back the whole deadbait was floating until you tightened up with the ledger I was using a half piece of deadbait and there large popups, any suggestions?


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IF USEING POP UPS TRY USEING THE MINIMUM POP UP SIZED BALL
I NORMALLY POP MINE UP ABOUT 6INCH TO A FOOT USE A HEAVIER LEAD SAY 3OZ TIGHTEN UP USEING A RUN RING YOU CANT GO WRONG WITH THAT CLOSE RANGE TO MEDIUM RANGE.. TEST IT IN THE MARGINES FIRST TO SEE ITS RIGHT
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Re: Deadbaiting questions.

Post  rozzo on Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:07 pm

if you are fishing moving water the only pop up you need is a three ounce lead and a short trace paternoster with an up-trace, that will suspend the bait off bottom
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Post  Flyfishin on Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:12 pm

rozzo wrote:if you are fishing moving water the only pop up you need is a three ounce lead and a short trace paternoster with an up-trace, that will suspend the bait off bottom


Cheers for the reply

I normally use a swivel on the mainline with 3ft connects to a ledger 20lb line with knots to weaken the line so if it gets caught it would snap, the river is fairly weedy and I as using a popup to keep off the weedy bottom I herd foam is good any thoughts ?


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Post  the bat on Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:38 pm

I sometimes think the red pop up balls put the pike off

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Post  Flyfishin on Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:26 pm

the bat wrote:I sometimes think the red pop up balls put the pike off

Cheers for the reply,

What other pop up method would you suggest ?

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Post  the bat on Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:48 am

I've got some black pop up balls or paternoster baits off the bottom

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Re: Deadbaiting questions.

Post  psion on Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:25 pm

This is a picture of my pop up rig. As you ca see I don't have the ball

attached to the hooks because I think it pulls the hooks out of the bait. I don't know if red puts the pike off.

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Post  Flyfishin on Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:48 am

Cheers for the reply ,

I was thinking that the popup would pull the hook out of the deadbait I'll try and make that rig!


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Post  Flyfishin on Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:34 am

Hi lads

Just a wee question went out for quick session one rod for lure fishing and one for deadbaiting, put a tail piece  mackerel one was using size 6 semi barbed hooks and after a hour or so I had a run and the line was coming of the spool so I waited about 5 seconds reeled in slow and striked fish on! I felt the fish and he felt very big straight away she took line of me and a minute later gone! Gutted felt like a big fish, so I put on a new piece of deadbait nothing happened but every time I reeled in the first hook was not on the deadbait only one hook was in the deadbait itself, kept happeneing.. I think it was becuase the hooks were a bit small and I was casting out far so I'll have to get some new traces, I was using a legered setup basic with a swivel on the mainline and about 4 foot of 20lb line attached to the ledger then a rubber bead to protect the knot.
Also I was putting the second hook through the deadbaits tail and then the first hook on the dorsal fin.

EDIT: I didn't have any bait elastic with me so meaby that's another reason why?

Any ideas?

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Post  psion on Sun Oct 23, 2016 12:03 pm

The pop up rig as size 4's hooks on it. I had two pike on pop up Trout last week. You can over think things sometimes

If you look at a lot of post on here you will see that they caught X and missed or lost Y. It happens. I sometimes use bait flags

on the hook in the tail to help hold it on.

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Post  rozzo on Sun Oct 23, 2016 5:13 pm

Flyfishin wrote:Hi lads

Just a wee question went out for quick session one rod for lure fishing and one for deadbaiting, put a tail piece  mackerel one was using size 6 semi barbed hooks and after a hour or so I had a run and the line was coming of the spool so I waited about 5 seconds reeled in slow and striked fish on! I felt the fish and he felt very big straight away she took line of me and a minute later gone! Gutted felt like a big fish, so I put on a new piece of deadbait nothing happened but every time I reeled in the first hook was not on the deadbait only one hook was in the deadbait itself, kept happeneing.. I think it was becuase the hooks were a bit small and I was casting out far so I'll have to get some new traces, I was using a legered setup basic with a swivel on the mainline and about 4 foot of 20lb line attached to the ledger then a rubber bead to protect the knot.
Also I was putting the second hook through the deadbaits tail and then the first hook on the dorsal fin.

EDIT: I didn't have any bait elastic with me so meaby that's another reason why?

Any ideas?

Thanks ff.
ok mate here is what you did wrong,,, starting from the mainline the first hook should go into the tail root, right before the tail and if possible into the bone,, this hook will take the weight of the cast. the second (end hook) can be placed anywhere in the flesh of the half mackeral. everything depends on the hook hold of the first hook from the mainline. make sure on the semi barbless that the point with the barb is the one in the bait.
can you get out with an experienced piker? its easier to show than to explain. where are you?
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