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Gaining permission to fish a water?
J Robinson Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:57 pm
Does anyone have any tips for approaching owners of waters for gaining permission to fish?
There is a fairly large water not too far from here and I think I have an idea who owns it, though why this particular company would own the water in the setting it's in is beyond me. It's a stunning lake, encircled in reed beds, looks fairly shallow (not an ex-quarry or anything like that) and rich in life. I can't imagine that it wouldn't hold pike and I'd bet that at the size it is (with no angling pressure) that it would hold some monsters too.
It would only be fishable by boat really, so there is that hurdle too. I'm sure some of you have been in similar situations and any advice would be appreciated. I'm a damned respectful angler, and you would naturally never know I'd fished a water in terms of litter/damage etc, but in some people's opinions, pike anglers have a tarnished reputation around here for leaving a mess.
I'm quite keen to find a good pike water not too far from here, and as I have a good boat, this would be ideal.
There is a fairly large water not too far from here and I think I have an idea who owns it, though why this particular company would own the water in the setting it's in is beyond me. It's a stunning lake, encircled in reed beds, looks fairly shallow (not an ex-quarry or anything like that) and rich in life. I can't imagine that it wouldn't hold pike and I'd bet that at the size it is (with no angling pressure) that it would hold some monsters too.
It would only be fishable by boat really, so there is that hurdle too. I'm sure some of you have been in similar situations and any advice would be appreciated. I'm a damned respectful angler, and you would naturally never know I'd fished a water in terms of litter/damage etc, but in some people's opinions, pike anglers have a tarnished reputation around here for leaving a mess.
I'm quite keen to find a good pike water not too far from here, and as I have a good boat, this would be ideal.
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Re: Gaining permission to fish a water?
lowdouble Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:30 am
Be polite and honest, and take a bottle of malt whisky along with you lol. always make a point about hating litter left on the bank and how you love solitude and peace and quiet. works fine for me☺
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Re: Gaining permission to fish a water?
J Robinson Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:08 am
lowdouble wrote:Be polite and honest, and take a bottle of malt whisky along with you lol. always make a point about hating litter left on the bank and how you love solitude and peace and quiet. works fine for me☺
Litter is my number one hate too. I told off a couple of anglers on Thursday at the coarse fishery as they were about to move pegs and left crisp packets. A reservoir I tried a few years back for pike had so much litter that I collected 2 bin bags from 100 yards of bank. It's sickening.
The loch in question is absolutely stunning and I'm convinced it holds big pike. Lots of reedy bays, highly eutrophicated with what I reckon is a high population of prey fish. I think at 25 acres, it's large enough to have the potential to hold a thirty. As I said though, only fishable by boat, which I think possibly makes gaining access more tricky. I do much prefer boat fishing though.
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lowdouble Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:32 am
It sounds like you could be on a great water soon 
I love boat fishing, bank angling is great but the freedom to move swims all the time is a boats greatest asset. Good luck.
I love boat fishing, bank angling is great but the freedom to move swims all the time is a boats greatest asset. Good luck.
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stubbo Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:55 am
over the years I have tried to gain access to some nice quite out of the way waters , but to no avail , they normally belong to a syndicate of sorts or one guy who owns it and fishes it once a year , and wont let anybody else near the place ,
or a company of sorts own it but wont let anybody on .ie public liability insurance....
usually if you have not seen anybody fishing it chances are you cant .....good luck , no harm in trying
or a company of sorts own it but wont let anybody on .ie public liability insurance....
usually if you have not seen anybody fishing it chances are you cant .....good luck , no harm in trying
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Re: Gaining permission to fish a water?
J Robinson Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:29 am
No one fishes the water as far as I know. That can often be the case in Scotland though as most people fish for trout and if there aren't trout, they aren't interested. Additionally, as it's largely inaccessible from the bank, it's likely that fishing it would be tricky except for from a boat.
Public liability is easy to sort out - I'm insured to the hilt with work anyway (run a sawmill, when I'm not skiving off fishing).
Public liability is easy to sort out - I'm insured to the hilt with work anyway (run a sawmill, when I'm not skiving off fishing).
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stubbo Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:01 am
sound s good pal go for itJ Robinson wrote:No one fishes the water as far as I know. That can often be the case in Scotland though as most people fish for trout and if there aren't trout, they aren't interested. Additionally, as it's largely inaccessible from the bank, it's likely that fishing it would be tricky except for from a boat.
Public liability is easy to sort out - I'm insured to the hilt with work anyway (run a sawmill, when I'm not skiving off fishing).
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mal wynne Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:14 pm
you could maybe use the tactic that I,ve used , and point out that you being there fishing is a bit of free security as you would be a pair of eyes and ears to stop undesirables getting on the loch, a bottle of whiskey won,t do any harm to your chances I,m sure too, good luck anyway 
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Re: Gaining permission to fish a water?
J Robinson Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:22 pm
mal wynne wrote:you could maybe use the tactic that I,ve used , and point out that you being there fishing is a bit of free security as you would be a pair of eyes and ears to stop undesirables getting on the loch, a bottle of whiskey won,t do any harm to your chances I,m sure too, good luck anyway
A good angle that (pun intended) and could have mileage. A very good friend works for the Forestry Commission that own much of the adjacent land, so I have a useful in with the company that owns the lake.
I need to head up and have a proper wander around the lake to see what shows, have a chat to nearby residents and figure out where to launch the boat from. I shall report back with progress
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psion Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:48 pm
I have done this a lot over the years and have gained access to some very good waters. I have found that a face to face
conversation is best if you can. I know that it does not always work but fishing a new water that's not been fished before
is great.
conversation is best if you can. I know that it does not always work but fishing a new water that's not been fished before
is great.
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Re: Gaining permission to fish a water?
J Robinson Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:55 pm
Some progress:
Turns out the company that used to own the water were liquidated last year, but the chap that owned the company is a guy that I have spoken to a few times over the phone through work. He now runs a biomass company and me being a sawmill owner, I produce an awful lot of biomass as a by product of milling.
So, I'm hoping that the fact that I know the chap is sufficient, but I can bribe with copious amounts of biomass should I need to. And if he no longer owns the water, then I am sure that he knows who does.
I'm going up at the weekend for a scout about. Trying not to get my hopes up too much, but I think it might be outstanding. The satellite imagery shows that it's mostly fairly shallow with lots of contour changes on the bottom (water is quite clear). That combines with acres and acres of reed/weed beds should mean loads of prey fish and consequently large pike.
Turns out the company that used to own the water were liquidated last year, but the chap that owned the company is a guy that I have spoken to a few times over the phone through work. He now runs a biomass company and me being a sawmill owner, I produce an awful lot of biomass as a by product of milling.
So, I'm hoping that the fact that I know the chap is sufficient, but I can bribe with copious amounts of biomass should I need to. And if he no longer owns the water, then I am sure that he knows who does.
I'm going up at the weekend for a scout about. Trying not to get my hopes up too much, but I think it might be outstanding. The satellite imagery shows that it's mostly fairly shallow with lots of contour changes on the bottom (water is quite clear). That combines with acres and acres of reed/weed beds should mean loads of prey fish and consequently large pike.
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stubbo Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:14 pm
sound perfect for a delicately cast fly type lure into reeded shallows sounds good pal , I bet know one has cast a fly for pike on there before, you could be on to a winner there, hope it all works out.....J Robinson wrote:Some progress:
Turns out the company that used to own the water were liquidated last year, but the chap that owned the company is a guy that I have spoken to a few times over the phone through work. He now runs a biomass company and me being a sawmill owner, I produce an awful lot of biomass as a by product of milling.
So, I'm hoping that the fact that I know the chap is sufficient, but I can bribe with copious amounts of biomass should I need to. And if he no longer owns the water, then I am sure that he knows who does.
I'm going up at the weekend for a scout about. Trying not to get my hopes up too much, but I think it might be outstanding. The satellite imagery shows that it's mostly fairly shallow with lots of contour changes on the bottom (water is quite clear). That combines with acres and acres of reed/weed beds should mean loads of prey fish and consequently large pike.
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J Robinson Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:35 pm
stubbo wrote:sound perfect for a delicately cast fly type lure into reeded shallows sounds good pal , I bet know one has cast a fly for pike on there before, you could be on to a winner there, hope it all works out.....J Robinson wrote:Some progress:
Turns out the company that used to own the water were liquidated last year, but the chap that owned the company is a guy that I have spoken to a few times over the phone through work. He now runs a biomass company and me being a sawmill owner, I produce an awful lot of biomass as a by product of milling.
So, I'm hoping that the fact that I know the chap is sufficient, but I can bribe with copious amounts of biomass should I need to. And if he no longer owns the water, then I am sure that he knows who does.
I'm going up at the weekend for a scout about. Trying not to get my hopes up too much, but I think it might be outstanding. The satellite imagery shows that it's mostly fairly shallow with lots of contour changes on the bottom (water is quite clear). That combines with acres and acres of reed/weed beds should mean loads of prey fish and consequently large pike.
Funny you should say that but I was in the tackle shop today contemplating a foray into the dark side (fly fishing). I'm still not sure if I can be bothered with the faff of the casting. I've such a nice spinning set up and my deadbait rods are awesome!
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stubbo Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:20 am
J Robinson wrote:its just another way of catching pike to me , once you have mastered the casting its very enjoyable , plus the upside you don't need a lot of gear and can be very mobile , and when I pike takes your fly/lure on the surface... its heart stopping, my biggest pike on the fly to date is 16lb and rainbows to 15lbstubbo wrote:sound perfect for a delicately cast fly type lure into reeded shallows sounds good pal , I bet know one has cast a fly for pike on there before, you could be on to a winner there, hope it all works out.....J Robinson wrote:Some progress:
Turns out the company that used to own the water were liquidated last year, but the chap that owned the company is a guy that I have spoken to a few times over the phone through work. He now runs a biomass company and me being a sawmill owner, I produce an awful lot of biomass as a by product of milling.
So, I'm hoping that the fact that I know the chap is sufficient, but I can bribe with copious amounts of biomass should I need to. And if he no longer owns the water, then I am sure that he knows who does.
I'm going up at the weekend for a scout about. Trying not to get my hopes up too much, but I think it might be outstanding. The satellite imagery shows that it's mostly fairly shallow with lots of contour changes on the bottom (water is quite clear). That combines with acres and acres of reed/weed beds should mean loads of prey fish and consequently large pike.
Funny you should say that but I was in the tackle shop today contemplating a foray into the dark side (fly fishing). I'm still not sure if I can be bothered with the faff of the casting. I've such a nice spinning set up and my deadbait rods are awesome!
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J Robinson Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:58 pm
I sent an email to the company that now looks after the lake yesterday. That was after walking around the place with my family in the afternoon.
It is a truly one of the most stunning bodies of water in Central Scotland. Deep red beds, islands, forest and no sign of any fishing activity at all. I don't think that that is because of a lack of fish, rather that it's nearly impossible to access the bank. There is only one point where I can get a boat in, and it requires pushing out through 20 metres of reeds.
Even with the huge reed beds, there is still a large expanse of open water, with loads of sheltered reedy bays. The water is over 200 years old, and I'm certain it must hold 20s, and 30s could be possible. It's visited by osprey, so prey fish must be abundant.
I'll see what the company says regarding the fishing. Given that there are two other interested parties I need to gain favour with, it might just be the start of the process.
It is a truly one of the most stunning bodies of water in Central Scotland. Deep red beds, islands, forest and no sign of any fishing activity at all. I don't think that that is because of a lack of fish, rather that it's nearly impossible to access the bank. There is only one point where I can get a boat in, and it requires pushing out through 20 metres of reeds.
Even with the huge reed beds, there is still a large expanse of open water, with loads of sheltered reedy bays. The water is over 200 years old, and I'm certain it must hold 20s, and 30s could be possible. It's visited by osprey, so prey fish must be abundant.
I'll see what the company says regarding the fishing. Given that there are two other interested parties I need to gain favour with, it might just be the start of the process.
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mal wynne Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:51 pm
good luck , keep us posted
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J Robinson Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:16 pm
Well sadly, it seems to be a no. I did end up speaking to the correct company, but they said that at present that they weren't interested in utilising the loch for leisure or fishing activities. Such a shame as it's picture postcard stunning.
I did send a reply enquiring to their reasons, and explaining that an ideal scenario would be setting up a very limited (paying, obviously) syndicate on the water. I even offered to build them a jetty. This is all subject to the presence of large pike though.
Anyway, not optimistic. I hate it when I'm told no and no reason is given.
It's back to the (7lb average) fish every 45 minutes loch up in the Highlands then. It's not a bad place to fish at all, but I was rather looking forward to the idea of getting to know a new venue.
I did send a reply enquiring to their reasons, and explaining that an ideal scenario would be setting up a very limited (paying, obviously) syndicate on the water. I even offered to build them a jetty. This is all subject to the presence of large pike though.
Anyway, not optimistic. I hate it when I'm told no and no reason is given.
It's back to the (7lb average) fish every 45 minutes loch up in the Highlands then. It's not a bad place to fish at all, but I was rather looking forward to the idea of getting to know a new venue.
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psion Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:07 am
Sorry to hear that - sounds like a nice water too. I went to see someone last year and I was also on my knees begging to let me fish his water but to no avail.
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J Robinson Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:44 pm
psion wrote:Sorry to hear that - sounds like a nice water too. I went to see someone last year and I was also on my knees begging to let me fish his water but to no avail.
It's just frustrating. I appreciate that they might want to keep the place unspoilt, but an syndicate of competent anglers, invested in the water would actually improve the overall health of the place. I've not quite given up, but I'm not holding out much hope.
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stubbo Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:48 pm
been there done that pal..... probably a nature reserve type place or on a list of untouchable waters that have bio. eco issues..... or he is fattening up some very big pike for himself to catch.....J Robinson wrote:psion wrote:Sorry to hear that - sounds like a nice water too. I went to see someone last year and I was also on my knees begging to let me fish his water but to no avail.
It's just frustrating. I appreciate that they might want to keep the place unspoilt, but an syndicate of competent anglers, invested in the water would actually improve the overall health of the place. I've not quite given up, but I'm not holding out much hope.
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