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Post  J Robinson on Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:10 pm

On the Scottish Pike Anglers page on Facebook, people regularly post photographs of their fish and quite often they are bleeding heavily from the gills. I usually point out that there is no excuse for posting photos of bleeding fish and that the fish is being mishandled, but it's nearly always met with hostility.

How often do you find you have a fish that bleeds heavily from the gills? Would you post a photo of it on a public forum? Am I being a dick for pointing out that I believe that the fish is being mishandled?

Not sure if the photo will link properly, but here is the fish in question:



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Post  lowdouble on Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:30 pm

Sad to say that it does happen if the gills are nicked with the hooks. BUT i never post photos like that, I hate to see it too, strike early and pay attention is the key Wink
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Post  J Robinson on Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:43 pm

I know it happens sometimes, but it's dreadful to post a photo of it. Such bad PR for pike fishing but unfortunately this uncaring attitude towards the fish is widespread in Scotland. I just don't remember anything like that as a kid growing up in the Midlands, and that was 20 years ago.
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Post  stubbo on Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:47 pm

lowdouble wrote:Sad to say that it does happen if the gills are nicked with the hooks.   BUT  i never post photos like that,    I hate to see it too,  strike early and pay attention is the key Wink
as you are all aware the gill area is very delicate and does not take much to bleed especially when its very cold, I have had it happen to me a few times , but I believe this would heal fairly quickly as it only a puncture wound injected by the treble , but a tear or rip could be dire to the fish , also I have caught fish with there gills so severely damaged , looks like the last angler had pulled the trebles out to remove , these are normally caught on noddy waters sad to say Very Happy
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Post  lowdouble on Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:49 pm

20 years ago pike were knocked on the head for being Roach eaters and swim killers. i am a midlands man myself and saw how pike were treated. Still not right but better than dead Wink
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Post  lowdouble on Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:51 pm

Also Stubbo I have a pet hate of the large singles on the back of many lures, castaics and early bulldawgs, Savage gear with no place really.
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Post  stubbo on Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:57 pm

lowdouble wrote:Also Stubbo I have a pet hate of the large singles on the back of many lures,  castaics and early bulldawgs,  Savage gear with no place really.
I know where your coming from , they seem overkill like grappling irons , snag these and bye bye , maybe should be smaller and weaker , something that could bend out of a snag but not a fish ......or remove and replace with a stinger at the tail end , which I have done on a few of my lures
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Post  lowdouble on Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:01 pm

Same here, cut them off and add a small stinger. Better by far. Catching pike with the top of their mouth cut wide open is shocking Embarassed
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Post  lowdouble on Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:04 pm

I know its hypocritical to not want to hurt pike, but lessen the damage done if possible. We have a fine line to draw between catch at all costs, and not hurt our target. where do we stop Question
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Post  stubbo on Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:07 pm

lowdouble wrote:Same here,   cut them off and add a small stinger.  Better by far.  Catching pike with the top of their mouth cut wide open is shocking Embarassed
the good thing is the top part of the pike mouth is mostly cartilage and in my opinion would heal quickly and I have had repeat captures on lures which backs this up.....which appear to be fine on examination....
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Post  lowdouble on Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:12 pm

You could be right mate, I dont remember catching older fish with old open wounds. But it is horrific to see the damage fresh and in real time. We have to try to limit damage to them and that huge single doesnt help Wink
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Post  stubbo on Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:17 pm

lowdouble wrote:You could be right mate,  I dont remember catching older fish with old open wounds.  But it is horrific to see the damage fresh and in real time.  We have to try to limit damage to them and that huge single doesnt help Wink
your right they seem to do more damage than a treble , especially on the bigger pike , more weight and more thrashing about , hence the need for heavy line and a quick fight , less damage me thinks.
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Post  stubbo on Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:35 pm

lowdouble wrote:You could be right mate,  I dont remember catching older fish with old open wounds.  But it is horrific to see the damage fresh and in real time.  We have to try to limit damage to them and that huge single doesnt help Wink
I have just pm you pal
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Post  J Robinson on Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:10 am

Well on a fish welfare point of view, I'm managing to fall out with most of the match anglers at the local commercial. Laughing I should stop myself getting into these discussions, but it's hard to stop sometimes!

There is a reasonable match fishing contingent at the local commercial and some of them fish right through winter (despite catching virtually nothing). They restocked the main loch (2.3 acres) with dinky carp in the autumn (1-1.5lb) much to the annoyance of everyone who doesn't fish the matches (as the previous average size was about 6-7lb) and now they want to hold more matches on it, which is something they used to do in years gone by. I voiced concern regarding the welfare of the fish during matches and didn't find anyone that shared my view!

The issue is that of the 7 waters the fishery has, 3 are used for matches. The only waters that have persistent issues with fish stock health are the match waters. The other 4 are fine. Apart from the main loch having larger fish, the stocking is very similar in all the ponds. So empirical evidence suggests that match pressure is bad for the fish, which was the basis of my objection for matches to be held on the main loch. This falls on deaf ears entirely though.

I think when you're targeting larger fish, you get very used to the idea of carefully looking after each fish you catch and when you see a net of smaller fish tipped out into a waiting weigh bag (that is often on the ground) it just sits badly with you. I know I ought not to get into these debates as people are set in their ways, but it's just frustrating (not least from a business point of view as dead fish meant lost cash).

Do many of you have experience with commercials down in England? Is it any better there?
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Post  lowdouble on Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:01 pm

Not too big of a match scene in ireland as trout and salmon are king and are killed to weigh in anyway. But the waters that are used for Pike matches (blue barrel events) go down hill very fast. The waters are vast so you never see many recaptures, but several wash up dead near the weigh station over the next few days. Places I dont go at all Embarassed
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Post  J Robinson on Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:35 pm

Part of the issue up here is the dreadfully slow metabolic rate of carp in our chilly waters. They don't recover quickly enough to sustain any kind of pressure and the ponds can quickly go downhill.

It's a shame you don't have too much of a coarse scene by you as the photos you've posted suggest some brilliant coarse fishing on your doorstep.
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Post  stubbo on Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:44 pm

J Robinson wrote:Part of the issue up here is the dreadfully slow metabolic rate of carp in our chilly waters. They don't recover quickly enough to sustain any kind of pressure and the ponds can quickly go downhill.

It's a shame you don't have too much of a coarse scene by you as the photos you've posted suggest some brilliant coarse fishing on your doorstep.
some of the match weigh ins I have seen show very little respect for the fish , a lot are dead and floating about at the end
just to many in the nets if you ask me 100lb plus sometimes treble that on some venues , its all about money really so the fish come second, sadly.....
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Post  J Robinson on Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:25 pm

stubbo wrote:
J Robinson wrote:Part of the issue up here is the dreadfully slow metabolic rate of carp in our chilly waters. They don't recover quickly enough to sustain any kind of pressure and the ponds can quickly go downhill.

It's a shame you don't have too much of a coarse scene by you as the photos you've posted suggest some brilliant coarse fishing on your doorstep.
some of the match weigh ins  I have seen show very little respect for the fish , a lot are dead and floating about at the end
just to many in the nets if you ask me  100lb plus sometimes treble that on some venues ,  its all about money really so the fish come second, sadly.....

You don't get that in Scotland because of the low temperatures. Typical match weights through summer are 10-30lb, with it being a lot less in winter.

Like you say though, the weigh ins can be brutal for the fish. Tipped out like potatoes. What's sad is that the anglers who fish the matches don't see the correlation between the poor welfare and inconsistent fishing. Treat the fish well and you'll have good fishing. If you have even a few fish die and sink, the toxicity from the corpses can seriously damage the water parameters, leading to more dead fish and a spiraling fish health situation.

I'm banging my head against a brick wall there, but it's nice to get a bit of positive reassurance here.
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Post  lowdouble on Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:48 am

the coarse fishing is unreal J,   my B&B was 90% coarse orientated and the house PB was 299lb 12oz.   All wild bream and Tench.  i used to have at least a few 200lb bags a year which is incredible really for a wild fish venue.  But there are very few coarse fishing matches.  the busy lakes are all little commercials filled with lipless carp Embarassed and they are fished relentlessly.  you can drive around 1000s of acres of loughs and see nobody,  then a 1 acre puddle has 20 men on it.  I just dont understand it Crying or Very sad


My son with a few tench lol,  wild wild fish that fight like Tigers.
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Post  J Robinson on Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:04 pm

That's an extraordinary bag of fish there Andy. Very jealous indeed. Your mild, wet climate and lack of angling pressure must be what does it.

I will definitely have to come across at some point Very Happy
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Post  psion on Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:48 pm

Yes Ireland's a great place I have booked a week in June.

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Post  stubbo on Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:53 pm

psion wrote:Yes Ireland's a great place I have booked a week in June.
my mate goes over every September , he catches a lot of big bream and some good pike are caught too Very Happy
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Post  lowdouble on Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:46 pm

Sept and Oct are great months, the fish shoal tight ready for winter and head to the deeper water. great time for lures too Very Happy Very Happy
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