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Post  Chumley Warner Sun May 31, 2009 5:52 am

Tother day my mate was on about someone he knew/had herd of who uses his pole (oooh errr missus) for pike.

Has anyone seen or in fact done this themselves? The idea popped into my head numerous times when Ive had pike nick my fish off my pole but I always thought that the hassle of sitting there all day, pole in hand, would be a pain in the rear.

To be honest I dont really use my pole much (insert witty remark here) and have only had fish to 6lb on it and that was a right lark.
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Post  Lefty Sun May 31, 2009 8:54 am

I suppose it may be possible if you were using something like the Shokstik and you were using a really heavy elastic, but it's not summat I'd recommend.

Don't fancy your chances should the pike tear off on a screaming run. Just imagine how many pike would be left with hooks embedded in them and trailing line and elastic. Or even worse, a pole top section(s) as well. Not good, my friend No

Best stick to rod and reel as you have a clutch that can give line out as and when needed (assuming it's set correctly).
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Post  Andy Webster Sun May 31, 2009 8:58 am

Last year one of the weekly papers carried a story on pole fishing for pike. That may be where your mate got the idea. The author had some success with it too.

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Post  Lefty Sun May 31, 2009 9:11 am

Can you imagine how many easily impressed people would give it a go? On 'normal' pole tackle too! Evil or Very Mad

It would take specialised poles and very strong elastics to land a pike and if you were to get a specimen sized pike on, then I wouldn't fancy my chances even with something like a Shokstik and, say, size 20 and above elastics.

The Shokstik may be able to handle it but the elastic would probably give way. It can only stretch so far before snapping. And I dare say that after being stretched to it's limits by an angry pike it would weaken the elastic considerably.

I DON'T like the idea of pole fishing for pike and if I were to see somebody using one, I'd let them know for certain.

Wound up now, going for a cig and a cuppa Mad
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Post  Bazz Sun May 31, 2009 4:19 pm

Mate of mine regularly catches Carp on his whip pole. Has had fish to over 10lb on it Shocked
Don't think he uses hair rigs & boilies or anything like that, will have to ask him... If he caught a Pike he would freak out Razz He is one of these people who is convinced they would savage your fingers & that they go around eating adult Moorhens etc... Laughing Laughing

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Post  noodle Sun May 31, 2009 5:07 pm

Bazz wrote:Mate of mine regularly catches Carp on his whip pole. Has had fish to over 10lb on it Shocked
Don't think he uses hair rigs & boilies or anything like that, will have to ask him... If he caught a Pike he would freak out Razz He is one of these people who is convinced they would savage your fingers & that they go around eating adult Moorhens etc... Laughing Laughing

but they do on both counts ive plenty of scars of the buggers.
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Post  Andy Macfarlane Sun May 31, 2009 5:37 pm

Comparing carp to pike as an example is pointless. Carp may well be able to sustain a fight longer and I don't doubt that for a second but they don't have the same turn of speed or cover the same distances in the same time. Pike can get up to 30mph in 6 feet. I've seen pike homing in on lures from 40 yards away and they did it in seconds. I don't care how strong a pole setup is. Carp and pike are not the same thing. One is a distance runner and the other is a power sprinter.

What is that a pole offers that that conventional pike tackle can't do?

Pole fishing is about accuracy and finesse. OK, accuracy might help you catch the very odd pike but believe me, finesse doesn't come into it. You can land an 8oz lump of wood on a pike's head and it'll bite the bloody thing. How is that finesse fishing?

Pole fishing for pike is just one of those daft ideas that some idiot comes up with to show off and nothing else. It's like using mono for traces. The 'expert' will come up with all kinds of facts and figures but at the end of the day the question remains the same.....WHY, WHAT FOR???

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Post  robh107 Sun May 31, 2009 8:11 pm

whoa is this serious?? pike on a pole?? nah i'll stick to methods that wont endanger my target species thanks very muchly!!!
i only ever fish a pole if i'm in with a very minimal chance of getting into a double figure carp for safety reasons.... and i'm not into all these heavy gauge elastics that tear the lips off of fish on commercials.
FOR YOUR QUARRY'S SAKE STICK TO ROD AND LINE IF YOU HAVE TO USE ANYTHING OVER A 6LB HOOKLINK
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Post  Lefty Sun May 31, 2009 9:55 pm

Bazz wrote:Mate of mine regularly catches Carp on his whip pole. Has had fish to over 10lb on it Shocked

I've done this myself last year when I got bored catching too many fish Shocked

It was teatime(ish) and it was warm, flat calm and there were carp mopping up the other angler's left over baits that had been chucked in.

I put some 8lb line on straight though to hook and went 'stalking' them. Caught loads of single figure carp and was thoroughly enjoying myself till I hooked one that must have easily been a mid double. That's when I realised how silly I was being. Fair old papped me pants I did.

The whip is one I always take with me and is a 3mt skinny little thing that gavin1928 threaded with some red elastic and is fairly stiff and strong. I think he said the elastic is size 20.

Anyway, when I hooked into the biggy, he/she gave the elastic a fair old workout before straightening the hook and I nearly ended up with a pierced nostril as it shot back at me. I won't be trying that again Shocked
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Post  Chumley Warner Sun May 31, 2009 11:19 pm

lol, what I thought. I was never gonna bother myself but wondered if I was missing something...apparently not.

Ill let my mate know that its not a good idea (again). Very Happy
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Post  Brookie Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:48 pm

pike on the pole!!!

well i am no expert on fishing the pole and i whould not ever use a pole for pike fishing and for that matter even carp fishing!!
i whould say that i am sure a good carp pole with a good strong elastic, could handle a decent pike in the same way i have seen match man land hard fighting carp up to 21lb on a pole!! i do a lot of fishing for carp and i am quite new to pike fishing but i whould say that double fig pike dont fight any harder then a double fig carp!! so yer i think a gd pole set up could handle a pike!.

but like andy said there whould be no reason to use a pole, you will be getting no more benfit at all useing the pole to fish for pike makes no sence!
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Post  noodle Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:21 pm

Brookie wrote:pike on the pole!!!

well i am no expert on fishing the pole and i whould not ever use a pole for pike fishing and for that matter even carp fishing!!
i whould say that i am sure a good carp pole with a good strong elastic, could handle a decent pike in the same way i have seen match man land hard fighting carp up to 21lb on a pole!! i do a lot of fishing for carp and i am quite new to pike fishing but i whould say that double fig pike dont fight any harder then a double fig carp!! so yer i think a gd pole set up could handle a pike!.

but like andy said there whould be no reason to use a pole, you will be getting no more benfit at all useing the pole to fish for pike makes no sence!

unfortunatly therin lies the problem they can and do, now how long did it take to land the carp on poles.

do that with pike you will very soon have dead pike floating around
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Post  Brookie Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:22 pm

was just makeing the point that a pole could handle a pike thats all, not saying its the right thing to do(and i whould never do it)! and i not sure what u mean buy saying about landing a pike quickley or it will die! i think takeing ur time(with in reason) and playing the fish being a pike or carp or any other fish for that matter will surley be a better for the fish!! but i am no expert on the matter lol Question
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Post  deadbait Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:02 pm

in summer pike need to be played hard no messing get them back as fast as you can a pole can handle a 20lb carp meaning it wont break but its not good theres too many carp with messed up mouths due to pole fishing noddies using one for pike is plain stupid imo Mad
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Post  robh107 Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:36 pm

pike must[b] be played quickly in the warmer months to prevent them becoming too exhausted through a prolonged fight.... if you take too much time with them then it will inevitably lead to a pike which will go belly up when you attempt to put it back. i was night fishing one of my local lakes one june a few years ago and the angler in the next peg had a hard fighting 28lber which he took a full 20mins or so to land..... even after a 3 hour rest in a carp sack in the margins until daybreak she still went belly up after a mere 3 min photo session and an immediate return straight afterwards, and despite both his and my best attempts to revive her she died.
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Post  Brookie Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:59 am

ok my fellow anglers , not haveing a go at any one but how can some people on here say pole fishing for pike is dangers to the pike and whould never put there beloved pike in any danger! and they whould never do it, but then fish for pike in the summer which by the sounds of it u have to bully the fish in as quickley as posible or it could die surley this is just as dangerers as pike fishing on the pole. i personally dont fish for pike in the summer because i target other fish and after what rob just said i never will coz if u get a big pike i am sure it will fight hard and it will take time to land it and theres a chance the fish might die (this is what people are telling me) i would not do it, so i am wondering if some people have just jumped on the bang waggon before thinking about there own fishing and the danger they put pike in when fishing in the summer!!! Shocked

so heres a question for you all is pike fishing on the pole any more dangers then pike fishing in the summer? i sure some fellow forum members will have some gd answers Very Happy
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Post  Andy Macfarlane Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:27 am

I bet anyone I can bank a 20lb pike on conventional tackle in a 1/4 of the time someone could with a pole.
Putting a pike from a river or a large stillwater, glacial even, is no more dangerous for Pike in Summer, than it is in Winter. Pike fishing a water that suffers from Summertime oxygen depletion is a bad idea but anywhere is else that can maintain oxygen levels is fine.
People bang on about Summer pike dangers more than required. Bank them and get them back...no problem

Do that with a pole.... Rolling Eyes
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Post  noodle Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:03 pm

nothing wrong with fishing for pike in summer in the right waters.
its all about mechanics

where with a running line is your shock absorber?
and the same for the pole?

which gives you greater control, and ability to get it in without it being able to dictate which way it wants to go

on the subject of putting them in danger i fish for em that does it regardles.
what matters is managing the risk to make it as small as possible.

if we take robs mates fish as an example retaining it probably did it no favours(not having a go hear me out)
if the fish was in distress after being caught keeping it in th emargins wouldnt have helped as these are generally lower in dissolved O2 levels (now bear in mind im behind a keyboard and not in that situation so have the benefit of not being under any duress, or lack of sleep which also afects reasoning ability) a better bet would have been to move the fish into deeper water elsewhere on the venue if it was possible and hold it for a short length of time to reduce the lactic acid build up
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Post  robh107 Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:18 pm

the pike mentioned in an earlier post came from a shallow (4ft even bottom) park lake and there are no real deeper spots in the lake.
my only point in that earlier post is that the angler in question could have landed the fish in half the time it took him but he decided (against what i was stood next to him telling him) to take his time and in his own words "enjoy the fight". this exhausted the fish and i knew that it would not be able to return safely immediately after capture so i loaned him my carp sack to retain the fish and rest it so it would have more energy for its return.
and just to clarify my point about poles (not having a go at anyone), when i say about not using any more than a 6lb hooklink in conjunction with a pole, and using a rod and line for anything heavier, i refer to any species.... not just pike.
i dont mean any offence to anyone but thats just my views on the matter.
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