Hooks and stuff

Page 2 of 3 Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  Guest on Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:32 pm

greg wrote:getting a few rubber lugs in this fourm now Evil or Very Mad .

i think i'll just feck off for good...................

not sure I understand what you mean greg..........is that a yes or a no on the hooks and mono then................ could you please elaborate??? scratch

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  deadbait on Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:48 pm

duane wrote:
greg wrote:getting a few rubber lugs in this fourm now Evil or Very Mad .

i think i'll just feck off for good...................

not sure I understand what you mean greg..........is that a yes or a no on the hooks and mono then................ could you please elaborate??? scratch

if i was you duane id buy a ready made trace from one of the better names the fox ones are not bad i would never use heavy mono for pike the teeth can go through it. some lure anglers are using heavy florocarbon for jerkbait traces. but it is rare stick with wire and trebles mate Very Happy

greg how can you knock someone who has taken time to come on here and learn Mad
deadbait
deadbait

Posts : 331
Join date : 2009-01-21
Location : batley

Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  Guest on Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:59 pm

Thanks for the advice deadbait.....................steel wire traces and trebles it is then. Wink
Don't stress about the previous comment mate. I don't know if it was directed at me and if was, then so be it.........I don't let nonesense like that bother me in any case..........everyone else has made me feel welcome and i am learning alot on this forum - HAPPY DAYS!!! Laughing

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  Bazz on Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:11 pm

http://www.mickbrownangling.com/2007PIKERIGS.html

Here is an interesting one on single rigs....

Duane, you are very welcome on here. I can't quite understand the comment & who exactly it was aimed at myself? Shocked
Greg of course is equally welcome & I hope he feels he has always been a welcome member on here Very Happy You are both making valuable contributions to the forum

Learning myself on here, now know what a circle hook is Laughing

Bazz

Posts : 1188
Join date : 2008-11-12
Location : Notts

Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  Guest on Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:25 pm

Ahhhhhhhhhh excellent Bazz............I have been watching this bloke on one of the Virging fishing channels....... didn't know he had his own website though...... brilliant, thanks again!!! bounce bounce bounce

As I said earlier, I have been made to feel most welcome, really enjoy the forum, and don't plan on going anywhere in the near future.....so you guys can still expect to have me posting and driving you mad for some time to come!!! Laughing

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  Lefty on Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:31 pm

greg wrote:are the hooks you use just normal bait hooks, or circle hooks .....

Just normal everyday common or garden single hooks.
I'm currently using size 4 Drennan Continental Boilie Hooks. They are (as the name suggests) intended for carp anglers but have been recommended to me as being a very strong hook.

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Tn_ContBoilieHooks

Pic shows size 1 but I use size 4.

BTW, I always use barbless or crush the barb.
Lefty
Lefty

Posts : 1299
Join date : 2008-08-26
Age : 50
Location : Cadeby

Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  Guest on Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:34 pm

Lefty wrote:BTW, I always use barbless or crush the barb.

Do you find a marked difference in terms of loosing fish in the fight by doing this Lefty? I suppose the secret, when crimping your barbs or fishing barbless hooks, is not to give the fish an inch of slack line while playing him?

Also, I mentioned short shank hooks previously but have noticed that you guys don't really fish them and indeed, tackle shops hardly stock them. Is there a specific reason for this or does it once again come down to personal preference?

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  Lefty on Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:15 pm

Can't say I have noticed any difference really.I suppose it is down to keeping a tight line really.

I prefer to use barbless as it makes unhooking easier for me and therefore less stressful for the fish. A lot of fisheries insist on this anyway.

I think it may have something to do with the popularity of carp fishing over here. Something to do with longer shanks turn and hook the fish easier. Others who go carping a lot more may be able to expand on that? Nick maybe?
Lefty
Lefty

Posts : 1299
Join date : 2008-08-26
Age : 50
Location : Cadeby

Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  noodle on Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:52 am

hooks simples match them to the bait being used

i use trebles from 10 through to 3/0 for bait fishing from drennan vmc eagle claw all dependant on the size. mostly though size 6 to 2's

i also use singles as well from size 2 to 5/0 for certain applications but these are limited and trebles will always be the 1st choice
noodle
noodle

Posts : 1389
Join date : 2008-08-29
Age : 44
Location : nwest england

http://pacregion31.blogspot.com/

Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  noodle on Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:54 am

duane i have tried circlesfor pike the owner mutu's and found them useless maybe its me but then again they worked fine for me with cats and perch

as for the hard mono Fc debate doing the rounds well ive been bitten off on 80lb seaguar floro when perch fishing (the pat body was made from the 80lb stuff carp make a mess if you use wire and carp love lives unforunatly) this wonder material parted under the pressure of a 1.25 avon and the hooklength 4 inches of 6lb fc with a size 8 super specialist and three inch roach as bait

duane making a snap tackle from seven strand and a couple of trebles is a piece of ....

north west will have everything you need wire of 30lb ish it may be 28 0r 30 a box of trebles and a box of swivels and within 10 minutes ill show you how easy it is
noodle
noodle

Posts : 1389
Join date : 2008-08-29
Age : 44
Location : nwest england

http://pacregion31.blogspot.com/

Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  Guest on Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:19 pm

thanks for this Noodle...............
I know how to make up the steel traces mate, I was just curious because we used to prefer the mono trace for Bluefish, which have teeth like razor blades. They just seemed to prefer biting on a bait presented on a mono trace as opposed to a steel trace, and even though you ran the risk of getting bitten off a lot, it still produced more fish in the long run..............does that make sense??? Shocked

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  Andy Macfarlane on Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:45 pm

Hello people, contentious as ever. I won't let you down... geek

To answer an earlier post, VMC trebles are available from Tacklebargains. £18 per 100 (size 4). I wouldn't use much else to be honest.

Now the circle thing. There is a chap on Anglers' Net called Leon Roskilly, who by the way, I do have the highest regard for but we do disagree on some things, likes the use of circles for pike fishing.

Leon has extensively tested circles for pike and he seems to like them for one main reason. They almost always find a hole in the scissors of the pike and he says this is a good thing. I simply cannot agree.

I've caught several large pike in the scissors which to my mind, has caused irreparable harm to the fish. Not life-threatening but certainly not a good thing. In these cases the lower jaw has become disconnected from the upper jaw under pressure. The fish can certainly still feed OK but the fish is going back differently to how it was designed. That is my main contention with aiming for scissor holds.
Leon to be fair caught several smallish pike and had not encountered this problem. This is all well and good if small pike are your quarry but they certainly aren't mine and as such, I won't be using circles and I won't use any tactic that deliberately aims for such a delicate jaw mechanism.

I cannot put a scissor hold before a solid hold in the upper jaw, one of the toothy platelets inside the mouth or in fact any solid hold where the mechanics of the fish are unaffected and for that reason, circles are net to useless as far as I'm concerned.

As for singles of any kind, I aired my views on another site just recently and it does concern the ever able Mick brown and his ideas.

Unless I'm using extremely small baits, like fish-heads or minnows, there's simply no way I'd be seen dead using one hook or single hooks.

A pike's mouth, by anyone's standards, is a massive cavern, capable of inhaling and ejecting possibly litres of water, baits, sticks, coke-cans, treble hooks and all manner of detritus, in one single action, lasting microseconds.

When you think that people target fish like carp with size 4s, without saying boo about it, and then you look at a similarly large pike, the size of the mouth cannot be compared. Pike have huge mouths and you, as a piker, are trying to hold a bait, cast that bait, hope that it's picked squarely across the mouth, without arousing suspicion and then you're going to try and set between 1 and 4 (two are in the bait remember) size 4 (or even smaller if you're barmy) hooks in the pike's mouth. That, to me, is asking a lot.

I've lost count of the number of good doubles I've caught, that have been banked on only one of the possible 4 bare hooks available.

Every single year, famous pikers, including Mick Brown, who I have the highest esteem for, come out with some hair-brained idea that every other piker in the country, knows to be nonsense.

You watch almost any fishing programme, where pike are the target and you tell me, how many times have you seen Mick Brown or anyone else for that matter, using single hooks, hair-rigs, single trebles, fluorocarbon, kebab rigs and all the other rubbish we, as pikers, are told, without exception, WILL 100% increase our chances of landing pike???

Pike fishing isn't hard. It really isn't. You all know I can talk pike all day long and I'm pretty sure there's only so much to say about the subject before venues come into the conversation.

Why do you think that is?? Think about it.

Is it because.....

A: Anybody can catch pike

Or is it.....

B: Not everyone knows WHERE to catch pike

Or is it in fact.....

C: Anyone can catch pike, if they know where the pike are?

I'd bet my fishing tackle that if you turned up to watch Mick brown fishing a limited access event, with the possibility of several huge pike turning up, there's no chance on hell, he'd be using any of these rigs. He'd get the pair of full barbed size 4 or even size 2 trebles out and he'd bang out something that at least stands a chance of banking a possible PB.

We easily forget that Mick Brown goes pike fishing, on limited access venues, 300 days a year, because that is how he earns his bread.

He can easily afford to lose a few big fish every year, developing the next big thing in pike fishing.

YOU CAN'T.......you can't......can't do it.

You go pike fishing on some fairly well hammered, easily accessed venues, perhaps 30-40 times a year....yes?

Are you going to try Dynamite pre-bait, kebab rigs, single-hooks, single trebles, fluorocarbon, single rods....yada, yada, yada or are you in fact going to do what you already know works and stick to that because you can neither afford to try all these ideas or afford to fish where Mick Brown fishes every day?

You fish single hooks or single trebles or barbless trebles or whatever you want.

I can't afford to. It's that simple.

The question isn't, are one hooks rigs a good idea?

The question is, can YOU afford to try?

.....Andy Pandy..... scratch
Andy Macfarlane
Andy Macfarlane

Posts : 1879
Join date : 2008-08-13
Location : Glasgow

Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  noodle on Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:35 pm

Andy for singles small baits is one of the three uses i have for them the other two

trolling big single on a jig head stops the bait spinning when trolling at slow speed which i cant get my head round why the pike never take a spinning bait at such slow speeds

long range work where i dont want others to copy methods like drifting or ballooning it posible to get trh right baits a fair way using a hair rig of sorts im not going to go into too much detail in the open as it is a bit iffy if used incorrectly.

with you 100% on the when on a hard water thing and would anyone try using out of the ordinary methods

not seen you around in a while hows life up there
noodle
noodle

Posts : 1389
Join date : 2008-08-29
Age : 44
Location : nwest england

http://pacregion31.blogspot.com/

Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  Andy Webster on Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:37 pm

Back on form I see Andy Cool

Welcome back, we miss these posts when you're not around cheers

Andy

_________________
Andy Webster
www.pikeangler.co.uk
Andy Webster
Andy Webster

Posts : 1253
Join date : 2008-08-03
Age : 49
Location : Doncaster

http://www.pikeangler.co.uk

Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  Guest on Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:26 pm

Andy, at the risk of offending others, I must admit that what you have written has been the most costructive bit of advice imparted since this topic was started............... cheers
Thanks mate.................your view on the matter makes perfect sense to me and must admit that it ties in perfectly with my approach to angling.........after all, what are we trying to achieve if we are not banking fish???

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  Andy Macfarlane on Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:56 pm

Cheers men.
Andy Macfarlane
Andy Macfarlane

Posts : 1879
Join date : 2008-08-13
Location : Glasgow

Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  robh107 on Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:28 pm

i agree totally andy on all but two points...... the size of the trebles and also the barbs, the problem is that if you deep hook a pike with a size 4+ treble then the possibility of puncturing the fish's gut and possibly doing irreparable damage is greatly increased due to the sheer size of the hook points in comparison to the thickness of the pikes gut, and also if you use barbed hooks then they are more likely to tear the gut on removal.
i consistently use size 6 semi barbed trebles no matter what size of bait i'm using and not only do i manage to hook up on nearly every run i get but i also land 9 out of 10 pike i hook too.
robh107
robh107

Posts : 835
Join date : 2008-11-28
Age : 39
Location : hull, east yorkshire

Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  Andy Macfarlane on Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:42 pm

I think the damage done to a pike's gut and whatever is on the other side is neither here nor there between size 6s and size 4s. There isn't that much between the two. Both will make a mess.

That's like saying I'd rather be stabbed with a 5" knife than a 6" knife. It doesn't really matter. You're still going to hospital.

Besides, the aim is to avoid the gut whatever size of hook you're using. I still wouldn't choose a hook because of the possible damage it could do on the off-chance I happen to gut-hook one.

I'd far rather pick my hooks on the far greater likelihood that I'll hook it square in the mouth.

How to remove hooks from the gut may come first and foremost for you. Not for me.

That's why I spent a fortune on banksticks, alarms and indicators. So that I reduce the possibility of gut-hooking fish to an absolute minimum.

....Andy....
Andy Macfarlane
Andy Macfarlane

Posts : 1879
Join date : 2008-08-13
Location : Glasgow

Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  robh107 on Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:58 pm

of course mate it goes without saying that the aim is to avoid the gut altogether, but on the very rare occasion it does happen i prefer to use the smallest hook i can confidently hook and play a fish on rather than fish a hook that little bit bigger and take a slightly bigger risk for the sake of banking the fish just to say i caught it. of course i'm not saying i'd go to extremes like a size 8 or 10 but i'm just conveying my opinion that for the fish's sake i feel a size 4 is a little bit on the big side.
and just like yourself i use my banksticks/bite indication set up to show the very first sign of a pike taking the bait.
i know its only a small difference between a size 6 and a size 4 but its still a difference.
robh107
robh107

Posts : 835
Join date : 2008-11-28
Age : 39
Location : hull, east yorkshire

Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  Andy Macfarlane on Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:04 pm

Well, you'll go to heaven before I do....lol.... Wink
Andy Macfarlane
Andy Macfarlane

Posts : 1879
Join date : 2008-08-13
Location : Glasgow

Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  robh107 on Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:12 pm

lmao nah mate i'm certainly no angel
robh107
robh107

Posts : 835
Join date : 2008-11-28
Age : 39
Location : hull, east yorkshire

Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  noodle on Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:56 pm

er i dont get this gut hooking thing with trebles

if you use big enough hooks so you can hit the fish hard and fast then the chances of it being deep are diminished massivly

its why although i use singles i cant really advocate tehm for everyone

im prepared to loose a large proprtion of fish i hook on them, as without them i wouldnt pick those fish up in the 1st place so its a trade off of actually getting runs and loosing some as oppsed to blanking
noodle
noodle

Posts : 1389
Join date : 2008-08-29
Age : 44
Location : nwest england

http://pacregion31.blogspot.com/

Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  greg on Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:09 pm

robh107 wrote:i agree totally andy on all but two points...... the size of the trebles and also the barbs, the problem is that if you deep hook a pike with a size 4+ treble then the possibility of puncturing the fish's gut and possibly doing irreparable damage is greatly increased due to the sheer size of the hook points in comparison to the thickness of the pikes gut, and also if you use barbed hooks then they are more likely to tear the gut on removal.
i consistently use size 6 semi barbed trebles no matter what size of bait i'm using and not only do i manage to hook up on nearly every run i get but i also land 9 out of 10 pike i hook too.

i'm not trying to be a smart ass here rob Smile . but if you gut hooked a fish, would you cut the hooks and cause less damage then just say ta ta to the trace Idea
greg
greg

Posts : 666
Join date : 2009-01-11
Age : 53
Location : SCOTLAND

Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  robh107 on Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:43 pm

not at all mate...... if i do accidentally gut hook a fish then i keep steady pressure on the trace gradually pulling the gut inside out until i can see the treble, then i use my 10" forceps through the gill cover to grab the treble and remove it. then afterwards i make sure the gut has fully retracted before releasing the fish. normally just holding the fish vertically for a few seconds and letting the guts weight does the trick. it would be far more damaging to leave a trace/hooks in a pikes gut than to remove them completely as they may cause an obstruction preventing the fishfrom swallowing food properly.
and can i just point out that i have never managed to gut hook a fish with both trebles, just the bottom one.
robh107
robh107

Posts : 835
Join date : 2008-11-28
Age : 39
Location : hull, east yorkshire

Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  greg on Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:55 pm

robh107 wrote:not at all mate...... if i do accidentally gut hook a fish then i keep steady pressure on the trace gradually pulling the gut inside out until i can see the treble, then i use my 10" forceps through the gill cover to grab the treble and remove it. then afterwards i make sure the gut has fully retracted before releasing the fish. normally just holding the fish vertically for a few seconds and letting the guts weight does the trick. it would be far more damaging to leave a trace/hooks in a pikes gut than to remove them completely as they may cause an obstruction preventing the fishfrom swallowing food properly.
and can i just point out that i have never managed to gut hook a fish with both trebles, just the bottom one.

twice for me, theres not much talk on here for what to do if it happens for newbes.
greg
greg

Posts : 666
Join date : 2009-01-11
Age : 53
Location : SCOTLAND

Back to top Go down

Hooks and stuff - Page 2 Empty Re: Hooks and stuff

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Page 2 of 3 Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum