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Post  Guest on Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:02 pm

I did this tutorial for a similar forum in SA some years ago and was wondering if the fundamentals thereof could be adapted for Pike fishing? Obviously the trace and hooking method is not applicable as this is specific to sea and shark fishing.
The problem with using attractants for shark was that the attractant (whether poured on or injected into the bait) was quickly washed away by the agitation of the oceans wave action and currents.
The theory is that the attractant is contained within the bait and slowly permeates into the water over a prolonged period of time when doused in cotton wool and stitched into the stomach cavity of the bait.
Let me know what you guys think???? scratch

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Post  patch on Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:24 pm

looks good Duane! carnt see why not mate santa
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Post  Alex Makk on Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:35 pm

That looks interesting.Thanks Duane...i'd try that for future recourse.......Give it a go nothing to lose.... santa
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Post  John Dinnewell on Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:26 am

I would just use one hook through the lip otherwise you will have a problem with deep hooking occuring.

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Post  Guest on Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:48 am

John Dinnewell wrote:I would just use one hook through the lip otherwise you will have a problem with deep hooking occuring.

As i said, the trace and hooking method is not applicable as this is specific to sea and shark fishing.....................the trace and hooking method can be adapted to your personal preference - single/treble; onehook/two hooks; trace type/length Wink

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Post  nickcarpy on Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:43 pm

looks good pal, Very Happy
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Post  nightwatchman on Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:40 pm

Like the idea of the bait shape and hook set up but have concerns about the cotton wool.
As with anything added to a bait that the Pike may swallow great care needs to be taken that they don't swallow it and you can retrieve said items.
Like the balsa sticks for pop us for instance.
If that can be accomplished then thats another rig to add to your arsenal of weapons to catch Pike. Cool
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Post  stephen abbott on Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:57 am

Duane. I would advise not to stuff cotton wool into a bait intended for pike.

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Post  Guest on Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:10 pm

Good point gents, I will have to give a bit of thought to a bio degradable alternative to the cotton wool???
Must admit that it was never a concern with shark as they have stomachs made of steel..............items such as number plates and even pots & pans have been documented as being found when sharks have been disected by members of the sharks board.............. Rolling Eyes

Question : Is the concern you guys have voiced about the cotton wool a personal issue or has it in fact been researched and documented as harmfull to Pike by specialist ichtheologists - just wondering, as it seems a bit ironical that we are happy to conceal sharpened hard steel in the bait but are sensitive about inserting a bit of cotton wool?

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Post  kell on Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:24 am

hooks can rot down
cotton wool would block the guts and fish would starve
old trick used by some to kill cats
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Post  Guest on Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:30 am

kell wrote:hooks can rot down
cotton wool would block the guts and fish would starve
old trick used by some to kill cats

Thanks Kell..............it makes sense.

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Post  stephen abbott on Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:11 pm

duane, you could replace your lead weight with a 3oz feeder filled with chopped fish as an attractor.

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Post  Guest on Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:27 pm

stephen abbott wrote:duane, you could replace your lead weight with a 3oz feeder filled with chopped fish as an attractor.

Cheers Steve....................stupid question : do you get feeders in varying weights ready to use or do you have to load them with weight to suit yourself??? (I have never bought or used feeders before)

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Post  greg on Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:34 pm

1 oz is the largest i got my hands on. where did you get yours stephen. or was it home made.
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Post  tootall on Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:31 pm

try these mate:

http://www.baitsdirect.com/acatalog/baitbox_pikebombs.html

they do seem to work when all else fails Smile
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Post  Guest on Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:35 pm

tootall wrote:try these mate:

http://www.baitsdirect.com/acatalog/baitbox_pikebombs.html

they do seem to work when all else fails Smile

Wink Thanks mate.............not badly priced at all - will defo be getting a few of those! bounce

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Post  greg on Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:39 pm

i've got 3. quite like them .
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Post  stephen abbott on Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:29 pm

Greg, Feeders over 1oz are sold in most tackle shops, surprised you have not seen any.

Duane, feeders are sold in various sizes and weights ready to use. you can get away with using a 1oz feeder whilst fishing for pike when a float is used for indication purposes. It's vitally important though to use at least a 3oz feeder when using a straight ledger as anything lighter can result in the deep hooking of pike.

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Post  Guest on Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:34 pm

Thanks Steve, I am going to North West Angling tomorrow to stock up on some tackle for a fishing trip on Tuesday. I will definately have a look and get a few for my arsenal.

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Post  greg on Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:37 pm

[quote="stephen abbott"]Greg, Feeders over 1oz are sold in most tackle shops, surprised you have not seen any.


trying to get a well stocked tackle shop around here is like rocking horse dung.
pike bombs or ok tho. make my own weights 3 oz to 6 oz to save on pennies.
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Post  Andy Webster on Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:43 pm

stephen abbott wrote:you can get away with using a 1oz feeder whilst fishing for pike when a float is used for indication purposes. It's vitally important though to use at least a 3oz feeder when using a straight ledger as anything lighter can result in the deep hooking of pike.

An interesting point Steve, I remeber Noodle saying that at least 5oz is required for effective bite indication when ledgering.

Personally I have used up to 3oz, but only when I needed it to hold the bait in flowing water. I am much more comfortable with 1.5oz. A good sized bait (e.g. Mackeral) and 3-5oz of lead will place a lot of strain on a rod when casting out. I use Fox DXR alarms and swingers. A fish only has to fart next to the bait and it will give an indication so I am totally confident that I will spot any run.

On the other hand I see a lot of people giving advice about setting up for ledgering that I would not be comfortable with doing myself. I am talking about using drop off indicators. Now these I CAN believe will not give any indication of a run unless you use at least 5oz of lead. That is because they rely on the pike pulling the line out of the clip, which they won't do unless you use a massive amount of lead. This is why I won't be using these types of alarm.

The PAC has this to say about deadbait ledgering...

http://www.pacgb.co.uk/tips/leger.html

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Post  Guest on Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:50 pm

Very informative read.........thanks Andy. study

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Post  adie1200 on Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:55 pm

Andy you have a pm mate Very Happy
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Post  robh107 on Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:01 pm

i have to admit that for once i disagree with you andy..... as long as the clip on the drop off is set so only a very light pull dislodges the clip from the line then it is possible to use a lead as light as 1oz when ledgering. and i AM speaking from experience as i do use drop off alarms (albeit with a modified clip) set as light as i can reasonably get away with, and i have no problems with indication whatsoever.
however, when fishing with my other set ups (fox drop off swingers with micron m alarms) i find that the line does not hold enough traction on the alarm roller to give accurate indication when fishing with open bale arms. i admit that the solution to this problem may be to use front end swingers with the line clips on my rods (this will drag the line down when the line is pulled from the clip creating an angle and a little more tension to drag line over the roller, giving better indication) but since i dont have my front end swingers anymore i cant test this theory.
no offence meant mate, you use different front end alarms which probably give better indication but thats my view on drop offs.
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Post  tootall on Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:04 pm

Quick question andy - do you use your reels with the bait runner on then rather than open bails? I used to use that method before going to drop offs and tbh i'm thinking that i did get more fish that way and am having thoughts of reverting back.
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