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Post  robh107 on Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:28 am

patch wrote:good ta hear Mrmack ive found afta taking up pike fishing! Very Happy
my deadbaiting catches me alot more fish than mi lure fishing Surprised
now.. am not saying its the best way to go about fishing for pike! Neutral
It just mite be me! or the lures ime fishing with at the venus im at and so on Wink
but it realy does! Cool

i've always found that i get a smaller average size of fish when using plugs as opposed to deadbaits, and its not because i mostly fish deadbaits either.... of my 12 captures of pike over 20lb (including the 30 i've had twice) only 2 of those fell to plugs (one on a shakespeare big 's' and the other on a mann's super stretch 1 minus)
i think its because the smaller pike are more actively chasing food and will attack a plug more readily than a larger pike would.
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Post  noz on Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:32 pm

These 10 mm crimps that you refer to; do you mean 1 mm??
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Post  greg on Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:34 pm

noz wrote:These 10 mm crimps that you refer to; do you mean 1 mm??
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no. thay are 10mm long
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Post  noz on Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:43 pm

I see, but all the crimps I have bought are sized on the internal diameter. When I make up traces, I like to leave the free end stuck out past the crimp; I then twist this around the trace and sleeve the lot with a bit of heat shrink which both neatens it and gives more strength. By the way, Maplin, the electronics shop is a good source of heat shrink in various sizes and it is a lot cheaper than the tackle shop.
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Post  greg on Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:55 pm

if i can get the garage door open i'll go check for you (snow). i have crimped 15-30lb wire with the same crimps bud. with no effects. i know what your saying about what you buy in the shops. at the price and for what you get thee's dont go wrong...

give me a min i'll go and open the garrage and get back to you bud.
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Post  greg on Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:04 pm

right the lable says 1.6-1.1 - 10mm copper crimp. 1.6 dia. 1.1 thick. 10mm long.
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Post  nightwatchman on Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:25 pm

patch wrote:
fox carboflex 20-30lb
fox crimps to suite the wire lb
sum good size 8 swivels with a decent lb rating
fox trace crimp covers
either fox trebbles or drennan carbon semi barbed size 8 and 6
fox crimpimg plyers

My set up is the same. Wink

Here's one I made today while at work! lol Laughing

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I used to use the Fox trace crimp covers but I've switched to shrink tubing now.
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Post  greg on Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:32 pm

now just what would we do without the fox bait flags Very Happy Very Happy . waste of money Very Happy


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Post  patch on Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:33 pm

looks spot on that Nightwatchman Cool
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Post  adie1200 on Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:37 pm

Look even better with a nice pike holding onto it lol!

Looks just like one of mine right down to the shrink tubing minus the bait flags that is ( i have some but very rarely use them )

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Post  patch on Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:50 pm

greg wrote:now just what would we do without the fox bait flags Very Happy Very Happy . waste of money Very Happy

thay work for me mate! Smile a use am for keeping sprats on Wink
thay do cost too mutch though!
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Post  greg on Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:07 pm

patch wrote:
greg wrote:now just what would we do without the fox bait flags Very Happy Very Happy . waste of money Very Happy

thay work for me mate! Smile a use am for keeping sprats on Wink
thay do cost too mutch though!

you could fish with a rusty nail just now and catch fish Very Happy
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Post  patch on Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:12 pm

lol! lol! lol! lol!
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Post  adie1200 on Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:14 pm

Does he really need the nail lol! lol! lol! lol!
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Post  greg on Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:18 pm

i dont think he does Very Happy
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Post  nightwatchman on Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:15 am

greg wrote:now just what would we do without the fox bait flags Very Happy Very Happy . waste of money Very Happy

You could use red elastic bands cut down?

Personally I think they work well for keeping soft baits on the hook just a little longer than normal?
Not sure about Sardines though? ! Laughing
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Post  patch on Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:59 am

nightwatchman wrote:
greg wrote:now just what would we do without the fox bait flags Very Happy Very Happy . waste of money Very Happy

You could use red elastic bands cut down?

Personally I think they work well for keeping soft baits on the hook just a little longer than normal?
Not sure about Sardines though? ! Laughing

yhe carnt see why not mate

for ya sardiens tie a piece ov line around the root ov the tail, top trebbel and trace Very Happy
then ya can cast the sardiens without them flying off! Wink just make sure thay are'nt any snags about! Smile
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Post  greg on Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:52 pm

nightwatchman wrote:
greg wrote:now just what would we do without the fox bait flags Very Happy Very Happy . waste of money Very Happy

You could use red elastic bands cut down?

Personally I think they work well for keeping soft baits on the hook just a little longer than normal?
Not sure about Sardines though? ! Laughing

i couldnt resist that one Very Happy . i was going to say about the leky band, seen it somewhere......... does the colour matter Razz . in all honestly i've never tryed it. buy the time i put a size four threw the tail root, its in the water for most of the shift Very Happy
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Post  Alex Makk on Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:03 pm

Just made my first ever spin trace........ And i'm buzzin..... afro afro afro
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Post  Andy Webster on Sat Jan 23, 2010 8:06 pm

MrMakk wrote:Just made my first ever spin trace........ And i'm buzzin..... afro afro afro

Well done Mr Makk cheers

Did you crimp or twist?

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Post  Alex Makk on Sat Jan 23, 2010 8:08 pm

Andy Webster wrote:
MrMakk wrote:Just made my first ever spin trace........ And i'm buzzin..... afro afro afro

Well done Mr Makk cheers

Did you crimp or twist?

Crimp.............Dunno how to twist.....use '30plus' 7 strand @30lb with the right crimps with it.......
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Post  Alex Makk on Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:06 pm

list: 20lb or more trace wire
matching crimps
semi barbless trebles
crimping pliers
cutters for wire
swivle
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I usally cut about 70cm length
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feed the wire through a crimp and a treble eye
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feed the wire back through and then once more to add strength also leave a bit of wire so the treble is 'free'
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you should have something that looks the same to this
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crimp with the pliers
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feed the second treble on and leave a space about the width of your hand between the two
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tie the knotless knot upwards instead of down then you should have something like this
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feed a crimp on and a swivle and do the same when you done the first treble
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crimp once more
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the finished product
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Post  stubbo on Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:37 pm

greg wrote:
MrMakk wrote:I was shown how to make traces by Bazz.........The thing that gets me is that you have all diffrent crimps and swivles etc.... What would you list as a kit for someone like me (who is starting deadbaiting/ what crimp size,wire poundage sixe hooks etc...)?

i use wire and crimps, always have. 10mm - 1.02 crimps more than fine with 30lb wire.
crimping with fox plyers. i use size 4 VMC hooks. red and bronze for all my dead baits. no matter the size of bait. afew people laugh at it but it works for me. i get the hook rite thro the root of the tail. any size of bait, i've never had a bait come of yet no matter how hard i throw it.
most folks do there own thing. Very Happy
same here greg size 4 fox carbons really sharp and strong
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Post  greg on Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:22 pm

i've just had good results with them, the red hooks aint as strong as the bronze for some reason.
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Post  stubbo on Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:42 pm

greg wrote:i've just had good results with them, the red hooks aint as strong as the bronze for some reason.
think the reds are slightly smaller diamiter wire for some reason Smile
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