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Re: home made traces
patch wrote:comment like what
eh might have used the wrong words patch, i'll try "advise" as a replacement
this aint easy when your no face to face
greg- Posts : 665
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Re: home made traces
nightwatchman wrote:Greg I think you've got the wrong end of the stick!
I'm not advocating hooking it in the head with a treble.
In my post I said the bottom treble should not go past the gill covers or the head so that means don't hook it in the head!
In practicable terms we all know that fish come in different sizes and so do traces, its down to the angler to make sure the set up is fish friendly.
Something I do!
i give up, i'm saying if its past the dorsal fin its to far. thats all no more than that
greg- Posts : 665
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Re: home made traces
greg wrote:
i'm saying if its past the dorsal fin its to far. thats all no more than that
I AGREE !
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nightwatchman- Posts : 295
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Re: home made traces
adie1200 wrote:One thing more important than where to put the hooks is knowing when to pull into a run I.E Good bite indication !!
It doesn't matter where you put the hooks if you strike too late you have more chance of deep hooking !!
But yes the hooks are best put towards the tail end of your bait to help towards avoiding bad hookups
Adie
yes, and if the hooks are further up your bait the better the chance of deephooking.
greg- Posts : 665
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Re: home made traces
nightwatchman wrote:greg wrote:
i give up, i'm saying if its past the dorsal fin its to far. thats all no more than that
I AGREE !
[b]thank god for that. this is worse than having a debate with the wife
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Yeah! Got there in the end!
nightwatchman- Posts : 295
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naw, its up to you where you put the hook, i was just saying
greg- Posts : 665
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for a start dinni ask me. it'll just get out of hand
greg- Posts : 665
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greg wrote:for a start dinni ask me. it'll just get out of hand
We know
Only kidding mate
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i wouldnt know..... i only use either whole baits or tail sections, if i get any head sections i chop them as loose feed (the only exception being lamprey because the pike dont seem to turn the bait head first with it being so slim.... they just eat it)
robh107- Posts : 834
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while i make my own traces i will allways look for ways to improve them on the subject of hooking baits i agree one in tail root one in dorsal for good hook hold and save deephooking a pike my last trip out was a freezing day a pike took the bait on a maisey run stopped so i thought turning the bait moved off i struck nowt no pike . reeled in teeth marks on bait just before the dorsal treble not happy but safe pike
essox_lucius1- Posts : 135
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homemade traces
hi all i have a couple of traces where the bootm treble slides ithought thatthis would weaken the rest of the trace or would slide up when casting any thoughts
pikebob- Posts : 43
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Re: home made traces
pikebob wrote:hi all i have a couple of traces where the bootm treble slides ithought thatthis would weaken the rest of the trace or would slide up when casting any thoughts
Used to make traces like that years ago, We would get the first hook and spin it on, The let the second hook "floater" just slide down the trace, Then we put sylicon tube over the shank of the Floating hook, This allowed you to possition your hooks at the best distance appart on dead baits, Pluss you could if desired wrap the trace around the deadbait a couple of times,
Downside was, If you were not sure on when to strike IE to soon, To late, To hard, Then the floating hook could go astray and do damage to the pike, Even to the extent of going into the pikes eye,
The best thing to do is before you put the tubing onto the shank and set the hook, Just put a couple of twists around the shank with the wire trace,
Re: home made traces
I used to make them with a movable top hook. I'm sure at one time you could buy trebles with a little eye at the bottom, as well as the normal top one...? It sat below & between the bends. As Paddy says, you pass the wire through the top eye, wind around the shank say 4 times & pass it back through the bottom eye. When taught, it can't move or slide but to move it, push the wire on both ends & the twists loosen. Then move it & pull tight again, simples....
Unfortunately these double eyed trebles don't seem available now... Did think of making myself some by buying some size 6 singles, chopping them off at the shank above the bend & silver soldering the piece in but it would be like jewelery making or watch repairing, fiddly with a jig being required to hold it all in alignment, I can't be arsed I'm afraid..
Unfortunately these double eyed trebles don't seem available now... Did think of making myself some by buying some size 6 singles, chopping them off at the shank above the bend & silver soldering the piece in but it would be like jewelery making or watch repairing, fiddly with a jig being required to hold it all in alignment, I can't be arsed I'm afraid..
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Bazz- Posts : 1184
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Re: home made traces
bazz if you get the dvd how to catch bigger pike, paul shows you how he fixes his first hook so it doesn,t move by using a loop with the trace wire.
have seen some instructions on this aswell.
cheers.
have seen some instructions on this aswell.
cheers.
bull- Posts : 119
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Re: home made traces
does the shape(diamond, large eye, barrel) of the swivel affect the performance of the trace?(does it cause twisting, kinking etc?)
as a personal opinion I wouldn't touch the diamond or large eye......But what about you?.................any pros/cons to the variety of swivels on the market today....
Alex,
A.K.A MrMakk
as a personal opinion I wouldn't touch the diamond or large eye......But what about you?.................any pros/cons to the variety of swivels on the market today....
Alex,
A.K.A MrMakk
Re: home made traces
i much prefer the round eyed type. in my opinion, the others can tend to course the wire to bunch up and nip, weakening it. more than anything i think its all just comes down to what you feel most confidence in.
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Re: home made traces
esoxjeff wrote:nice job Mr Makk, why not get hold of some red shrink tube, it gives that little extra attractive look ( red bait tags)
Aye for sure. I had some from Maplins but I've yet to replace it for whatever reason...(laziness).
It looks smart though and the wee flashes of red help I'm certain, especially with livies but they're illegal up here an I'd never use livies.
You all know that....right?....
Andy Macfarlane- Posts : 1879
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Re: home made traces
pikebob wrote:hi all i have a couple of traces where the bootm treble slides ithought thatthis would weaken the rest of the trace or would slide up when casting any thoughts
You wrap the wire round the shank of the sliding treble once you've decided how far apart you want your hooks to be, in relation to the bait of your choice.
Personally, I'd like to see these traces banned. First of all, I've lost count of the number of times I've seen folk using these traces without fixing the upper treble, which begs the question, "What's it there for if it doesn't actually help you bank fish?"
Secondly, should both hooks find a hold say 4" apart in the pike's jaw and the upper treble isn't fixed, you can damage the pike's jaw or head, when the fish changes direction, forcing the 2 trebles together.
Thirdly, as mentioned, a flying trebles can find a hold somewhere delicate.
Pointless unless used correctly and that sadly, is rarer than you'd imagine. 2 fixed hooks....always.
Andy Macfarlane- Posts : 1879
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Re: home made traces
i agree totally andy... i always fix both my trebles in place for the same reasons
robh107- Posts : 834
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Re: home made traces
My uncle has asked me something which i don't seem to find an answer............
He has asked me........'with the amount of snap swivels on the market which one is the best for making a lure trace with??????'
I have selected three likely candidates........
#1 the fox kwik change swivel
#2 A fox safe lok swivel(which are on there ready made lure traces)
3# an 'american' snap swivel (they come in round and square versions and the ones i originally pick)
Thanks
Alex,
AKA. MrMakk
He has asked me........'with the amount of snap swivels on the market which one is the best for making a lure trace with??????'
I have selected three likely candidates........
#1 the fox kwik change swivel
#2 A fox safe lok swivel(which are on there ready made lure traces)
3# an 'american' snap swivel (they come in round and square versions and the ones i originally pick)
Thanks
Alex,
AKA. MrMakk
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