Shark Slide Bait - Potential To Be Adapted For Pike Dead Baiting?

Gents, please forgive my ignorance but i am honestly trying to follow the converstion here..........
Is the above applicable assuming the fish is swimming away from the rod with the bait???? What happens if it picks up the bait and runs towards the rod - surely this is when you are going to want a heavier lead to act as an anchor point to pulley the line and effectively activate the alarm/indication???
I hope that makes sense because i think i may have just confused myself.........

No offence taken Rob

I am trying to figure out why so much lead is needed on a ledger rig. I have heard of some people struggling to set up the gate clips (didn't we have a discussion on here about this last winter?)

I just can't understand why I have to use 3oz of lead when ledgering because with my setup I don't believe that it will. I know that you, too, are ok using less than 3oz with your setup.

Tootall
I use the baitrunner.

Andy

duane wrote:Gents, please forgive my ignorance but i am honestly trying to follow the converstion here..........
Is the above applicable assuming the fish is swimming away from the rod with the bait???? What happens if it picks up the bait and runs towards the rod - surely this is when you are going to want a heavier lead to act as an anchor point to pulley the line and effectively activate the alarm/indication???
I hope that makes sense because i think i may have just confused myself.........

I think you have the right idea Duane.

My swinger will register a drop back if the fish comes towards me.

Andy

This is what I thought Andy.......................but your front indicator should pick up the line movement and sound anyway, not so?

duane wrote:This is what I thought Andy.......................but your front indicator should pick up the line movement and sound anyway, not so?

Yes it will Duane, it picks up trembles.

pike can take a bait on the spot without taking line so personally I prefer to use floats.

Got my young jack pike on float today - must admit that there is something about waiting in anticipation and seeing that float come to life all of a sudden.................

Andy Webster wrote:No offence taken Rob

I am trying to figure out why so much lead is needed on a ledger rig. I have heard of some people struggling to set up the gate clips (didn't we have a discussion on here about this last winter?)

I just can't understand why I have to use 3oz of lead when ledgering because with my setup I don't believe that it will. I know that you, too, are ok using less than 3oz with your setup.

Tootall
I use the baitrunner.

Andy

i cant understand using any more than 2oz to be honest mate.... unless fishing rivers with a really heavy run i.e. the trent. surely using alot of lead would be detrimental when you're winding down to strike the fish.
yes we did discuss line gates last winter..... i finally modified my micron p's with line clips because i just could not trust them to release the line effectively

i've seen a few guys use 1oz leads with a good bait on. when thay cast its there bait taking there lead out. should be the other way round .....

not necessarily greg...... yes the lead will fly back up the line a bit but if you time it right you can feather the spool to slow the bait a little just before the rig hits the water, the lead will more or less catch up with the bait by the time water contact is made eradicating the problem.
alternatively it can be beneficial to have the lead a bit further away from the bait acting in the same way as a backlead if you dont feather the spool as i said and tighten up to the rig REALLY gently and just clip up when you have a tight line. if theres any extra slack between the rod and rig the drop off/swinger will take this up and you just re-adjust the indication accordingly.

dont get me wrong here rob, i used 1/1.5 oz leads all the time. untill i read the views of others on here. useing the larger leads it did help with the shy pike. ie bouncing weights on the pickup. a 3oz lead and a section of lamprey you can punt out along way, bigger baits well it tells on the rod. so aye your right

i myself have given heavier leads (2-3oz) a go since reading things on this forum but to be totall honest i've found i get more dropped/missed runs than when i was using 1.5oz max.
now the only reason i put a lead over 1.5oz on is if i want to put a small/lightweight bait i.e. smelt or lamprey over 50 yards out.
but with larger baits i.e half mackerel i find that if i put a lead over 1.5oz on then it cuts casting distance down quite dramatically.
it may just be that i use lighter actioned rods than some of the others here (my big water rods are 2.75 tc century armalite mk1's) but if i use a bigger lead with a big bait then the rod struggles to load properly.

its hyperlites 2.75 i use. and yes the larger leads overload the rod, depending on baits.
i dont want to carry spod rods aswell as the hyperlites. you need a wheelbarrow nowadays.

lol one saying i live by when fishing is keep it simple..... the day i need a wheelbarrow is the day i pack in for good

well when you look at what you take for bait fishing, 4 rods, spare rod,pod,alarms,rigs,leads,bait,net ect. thats before you think of lures.

i do carry all that and more lol..... still dont need a barrow

aye but your 15yrs younger.. wait till the athritis sets in

lol true