Treble hook opinions
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Treble hook opinions
What treble hooks are you guys using using for bait fishing? sizes 2 and 4 are what I normally use and have to say theres some rubbish out there. Iv had hook prongs snap off Owner ST`s and just got some 30+ heavy duty Trebles which look ok but its not the thickest wire and Im wondering if they could straighten out with good pull, so what do you recommend?
D@veG- Posts : 23
Join date : 2015-10-08
Re: Treble hook opinions
hi m8
2's are a bit big i reckon,, i use partridge pike x semi barbless and the biggest size i use are 6's they do the job fine. i got some nice hooks off fleabay for cheap and they seem really good but i forgot what they are called,, again semi barbless
2's are a bit big i reckon,, i use partridge pike x semi barbless and the biggest size i use are 6's they do the job fine. i got some nice hooks off fleabay for cheap and they seem really good but i forgot what they are called,, again semi barbless
rozzo- Posts : 610
Join date : 2012-10-29
Age : 61
Location : doncaster
Re: Treble hook opinions
rozzo wrote:hi m8
2's are a bit big i reckon,, i use partridge pike x semi barbless and the biggest size i use are 6's they do the job fine. i got some nice hooks off fleabay for cheap and they seem really good but i forgot what they are called,, again semi barbless
I tend to use big baits like whole Mackerel, whole blueys etc with the 2`s which dont look big on baits of that size and baits in the 7-8 inch range with the 4`s and I strike straight away
D@veG- Posts : 23
Join date : 2015-10-08
Re: Treble hook opinions
I have used partridge and Owner and Fox hooks are very good. I use size 4's and size 2's on big baits.
psion- Posts : 980
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Re: Treble hook opinions
sometimes use no 2...reds. on a single hook rig .... roving on float style
stubbo- Posts : 3976
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Age : 61
Location : Warrington
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Just ordered some Fox Rage Predator Powerpoint X-Strong trebles, i`ll let you know what I think of them when they arrive.
Dave
Dave
D@veG- Posts : 23
Join date : 2015-10-08
Re: Treble hook opinions
i use full macks etc too,,, on lures you need big hooks as the take is kinda hectic,,, with baits its different and i think massive hooks put them off,, just my opinionD@veG wrote:rozzo wrote:hi m8
2's are a bit big i reckon,, i use partridge pike x semi barbless and the biggest size i use are 6's they do the job fine. i got some nice hooks off fleabay for cheap and they seem really good but i forgot what they are called,, again semi barbless
I tend to use big baits like whole Mackerel, whole blueys etc with the 2`s which dont look big on baits of that size and baits in the 7-8 inch range with the 4`s and I strike straight away
rozzo- Posts : 610
Join date : 2012-10-29
Age : 61
Location : doncaster
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rozzo wrote:i use full macks etc too,,, on lures you need big hooks as the take is kinda hectic,,, with baits its different and i think massive hooks put them off,, just my opinionD@veG wrote:rozzo wrote:hi m8
2's are a bit big i reckon,, i use partridge pike x semi barbless and the biggest size i use are 6's they do the job fine. i got some nice hooks off fleabay for cheap and they seem really good but i forgot what they are called,, again semi barbless
I tend to use big baits like whole Mackerel, whole blueys etc with the 2`s which dont look big on baits of that size and baits in the 7-8 inch range with the 4`s and I strike straight away
Opinions are what im after Rozzo we dont have to agree so thanks for the input,
D@veG- Posts : 23
Join date : 2015-10-08
Re: Treble hook opinions
I use gamakatsu
They have great strength for their wire thickness and they stay sharp
They have great strength for their wire thickness and they stay sharp
dave van dessel- Posts : 149
Join date : 2015-10-02
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Location : antwerp belgium
Re: Treble hook opinions
dave van dessel wrote:I use gamakatsu
They have great strength for their wire thickness and they stay sharp
Thanks Dave
D@veG- Posts : 23
Join date : 2015-10-08
Re: Treble hook opinions
this is just a thought , when you buy some hooks they can be to strong , as some hooks wont bend out of a snag , which means you snap off leaving a baited rig in the water which could kill a pike,,,,, just a thought, myself lately have bought some cheap red treables from china...and to be honest well chuffed with them as I have not lost a fish to bending out yet .....and when snagged they do bend out hence 80lb braidD@veG wrote:What treble hooks are you guys using using for bait fishing? sizes 2 and 4 are what I normally use and have to say theres some rubbish out there. Iv had hook prongs snap off Owner ST`s and just got some 30+ heavy duty Trebles which look ok but its not the thickest wire and Im wondering if they could straighten out with good pull, so what do you recommend?
stubbo- Posts : 3976
Join date : 2010-01-14
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Location : Warrington
Re: Treble hook opinions
stubbo wrote:this is just a thought , when you buy some hooks they can be to strong , as some hooks wont bend out of a snag , which means you snap off leaving a baited rig in the water which could kill a pike,,,,, just a thought, myself lately have bought some cheap red treables from china...and to be honest well chuffed with them as I have not lost a fish to bending out yet .....and when snagged they do bend out hence 80lb braidD@veG wrote:What treble hooks are you guys using using for bait fishing? sizes 2 and 4 are what I normally use and have to say theres some rubbish out there. Iv had hook prongs snap off Owner ST`s and just got some 30+ heavy duty Trebles which look ok but its not the thickest wire and Im wondering if they could straighten out with good pull, so what do you recommend?
You make a good point there stubbo, I know someone who wanted to know how much pressure we exert when pulling hard on a fish so he did an experiment.
He attached a set of scales to a fence then attached his line to the scales and pulled hard on his rod right down to the butt and had his mate look at the reading...it went 5lbs
Basically the rod acts like a huge spring and it shows how little pressure we actually exert on a fish, hard to believe I know but he reckons its true and did the test several times.
Iv had strong trebles start to straighten on a big fish which I almost lost so I tend to go for as strong as I can, its a conundrum for sure
D@veG- Posts : 23
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should of added that it depends on the type of water you are fishing if you snag up regular the softer option would be more fish friendly..... just my thoughts on this , but for this to work you need some good quality braid........ power pro 50lb plusD@veG wrote:stubbo wrote:this is just a thought , when you buy some hooks they can be to strong , as some hooks wont bend out of a snag , which means you snap off leaving a baited rig in the water which could kill a pike,,,,, just a thought, myself lately have bought some cheap red treables from china...and to be honest well chuffed with them as I have not lost a fish to bending out yet .....and when snagged they do bend out hence 80lb braidD@veG wrote:What treble hooks are you guys using using for bait fishing? sizes 2 and 4 are what I normally use and have to say theres some rubbish out there. Iv had hook prongs snap off Owner ST`s and just got some 30+ heavy duty Trebles which look ok but its not the thickest wire and Im wondering if they could straighten out with good pull, so what do you recommend?
You make a good point there stubbo, I know someone who wanted to know how much pressure we exert when pulling hard on a fish so he did an experiment.
He attached a set of scales to a fence then attached his line to the scales and pulled hard on his rod right down to the butt and had his mate look at the reading...it went 5lbs
Basically the rod acts like a huge spring and it shows how little pressure we actually exert on a fish, hard to believe I know but he reckons its true and did the test several times.
Iv had strong trebles start to straighten on a big fish which I almost lost so I tend to go for as strong as I can, its a conundrum for sure
don't think I have had a treble straighten out on a fish when it has all been set up correctly.ie drag
maybe you have snagged up when playing the fish and not known it.....or really,really crap hooks
stubbo- Posts : 3976
Join date : 2010-01-14
Age : 61
Location : Warrington
Re: Treble hook opinions
I didnt snag up on the fish im talking about it got caught several times by mates as well as me and was an absolute brute of a fighter which I had at 31.06 so it was exceptional.
The hooks were size 4 Eagle claws which are probably a medium wire and I was using 50lb braid
The hooks were size 4 Eagle claws which are probably a medium wire and I was using 50lb braid
D@veG- Posts : 23
Join date : 2015-10-08
trebles
vmc in 4s black nickel semi barbed and ashimas in size 4 and 6 black nickel semi barbed. these are the mutts and proper,proper sharp. the best thing about them as previously mentioned is the fact they bend out of snags when required,.
i don't think I've ever left a trace in a snag in the last 15 plus years. if any one is searching go to tacklebargains .co.uk and look for trebles. super cheap about £20-00 a hundred hooks!!! a bit less than the owners methinks!
i don't think I've ever left a trace in a snag in the last 15 plus years. if any one is searching go to tacklebargains .co.uk and look for trebles. super cheap about £20-00 a hundred hooks!!! a bit less than the owners methinks!
coops440- Posts : 63
Join date : 2009-09-22
Age : 57
bending strength
got to agree 100 percent with dave on the scales test. we did exactly the same think with my mates cat rod and.......................the max you can exert is a gnats over 5lb. good job it wasn't a bet as i would have lost!
coops440- Posts : 63
Join date : 2009-09-22
Age : 57
Re: Treble hook opinions
just be aware that if a hook has already been bent and you bend it back ,, it will be knackered, it will bend out of a good fish ........you lads will probably know this anyway.
just wondered how many lads on here regularly change there hooks out
I have a good stash of traces made up at home and just swap them out when damaged, could mean the difference of losing that fish of a life time.. me thinks
just wondered how many lads on here regularly change there hooks out
I have a good stash of traces made up at home and just swap them out when damaged, could mean the difference of losing that fish of a life time.. me thinks
stubbo- Posts : 3976
Join date : 2010-01-14
Age : 61
Location : Warrington
Re: Treble hook opinions
what line are you using palcoops440 wrote:got to agree 100 percent with dave on the scales test. we did exactly the same think with my mates cat rod and.......................the max you can exert is a gnats over 5lb. good job it wasn't a bet as i would have lost!
stubbo- Posts : 3976
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Age : 61
Location : Warrington
Re: Treble hook opinions
was quite a while ago now but i think it was 50lb braid or something very similar
coops440- Posts : 63
Join date : 2009-09-22
Age : 57
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I know where you are coming from , but if you think about it that cant be a true scenario because them scales are fixed in one position.... and a pike pulling in all directions if very different plus you would not be locked up on the clutch , but true you would think it would be more than 5lb before the hook failed.......D@veG wrote:stubbo wrote:this is just a thought , when you buy some hooks they can be to strong , as some hooks wont bend out of a snag , which means you snap off leaving a baited rig in the water which could kill a pike,,,,, just a thought, myself lately have bought some cheap red treables from china...and to be honest well chuffed with them as I have not lost a fish to bending out yet .....and when snagged they do bend out hence 80lb braidD@veG wrote:What treble hooks are you guys using using for bait fishing? sizes 2 and 4 are what I normally use and have to say theres some rubbish out there. Iv had hook prongs snap off Owner ST`s and just got some 30+ heavy duty Trebles which look ok but its not the thickest wire and Im wondering if they could straighten out with good pull, so what do you recommend?
You make a good point there stubbo, I know someone who wanted to know how much pressure we exert when pulling hard on a fish so he did an experiment.
He attached a set of scales to a fence then attached his line to the scales and pulled hard on his rod right down to the butt and had his mate look at the reading...it went 5lbs
Basically the rod acts like a huge spring and it shows how little pressure we actually exert on a fish, hard to believe I know but he reckons its true and did the test several times.
Iv had strong trebles start to straighten on a big fish which I almost lost so I tend to go for as strong as I can, its a conundrum for sure
stubbo- Posts : 3976
Join date : 2010-01-14
Age : 61
Location : Warrington
Re: Treble hook opinions
stubbo wrote:I know where you are coming from , but if you think about it that cant be a true scenario because them scales are fixed in one position.... and a pike pulling in all directions if very different plus you would not be locked up on the clutch , but true you would think it would be more than 5lb before the hook failed.......D@veG wrote:stubbo wrote:this is just a thought , when you buy some hooks they can be to strong , as some hooks wont bend out of a snag , which means you snap off leaving a baited rig in the water which could kill a pike,,,,, just a thought, myself lately have bought some cheap red treables from china...and to be honest well chuffed with them as I have not lost a fish to bending out yet .....and when snagged they do bend out hence 80lb braidD@veG wrote:What treble hooks are you guys using using for bait fishing? sizes 2 and 4 are what I normally use and have to say theres some rubbish out there. Iv had hook prongs snap off Owner ST`s and just got some 30+ heavy duty Trebles which look ok but its not the thickest wire and Im wondering if they could straighten out with good pull, so what do you recommend?
You make a good point there stubbo, I know someone who wanted to know how much pressure we exert when pulling hard on a fish so he did an experiment.
He attached a set of scales to a fence then attached his line to the scales and pulled hard on his rod right down to the butt and had his mate look at the reading...it went 5lbs
Basically the rod acts like a huge spring and it shows how little pressure we actually exert on a fish, hard to believe I know but he reckons its true and did the test several times.
Iv had strong trebles start to straighten on a big fish which I almost lost so I tend to go for as strong as I can, its a conundrum for sure
5lb of pressure is the maximum amount of pressure that was being exerted because the test was done with the rod pulled round to the butt or fully locked up so in reality the amount of pressure put on a fish during a fight would be less, yes i`d agree that the amount of pressure would be changing as the fish lunges but how many times do our rods lock up under full pressure? hardly ever I would say.
D@veG- Posts : 23
Join date : 2015-10-08
Re: Treble hook opinions
Thing is
You have to take into account the difference between braid and mono
Hooksize because a smaller hook has thinner metal but also less leverage
The rod itself because a parabolic 2,5 pounder is no stiff 3,5 pounder
Having said that results will be different for everyone
So I don't really see the relevance
Of testing when the hooks bend,
Because in the end it also depends on
where in the mouth the hook sets
And how many hooks catch hold
I just recommend you use a hook your confident in and replace them regularly
And so what if you lose a good fish
There is no guarantee that it would not happen with different hooks
Let's not forget they have a hard mouth and sometimes the hooks just can't find a good place to dig in
You have to take into account the difference between braid and mono
Hooksize because a smaller hook has thinner metal but also less leverage
The rod itself because a parabolic 2,5 pounder is no stiff 3,5 pounder
Having said that results will be different for everyone
So I don't really see the relevance
Of testing when the hooks bend,
Because in the end it also depends on
where in the mouth the hook sets
And how many hooks catch hold
I just recommend you use a hook your confident in and replace them regularly
And so what if you lose a good fish
There is no guarantee that it would not happen with different hooks
Let's not forget they have a hard mouth and sometimes the hooks just can't find a good place to dig in
dave van dessel- Posts : 149
Join date : 2015-10-02
Age : 38
Location : antwerp belgium
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