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Post  MAD BAD ANGLER on Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:36 pm

hi guys. i have been losing a lot of fish in my last few trips and am thinking of using bigger hooks. at the moment i am using size 8's and am toying with changing to size 6's or maybe even doubles, what do you guys think?
i know that losing fish is all part of the game, but it just seems that i am losing a lot more than i should. thanks guys MBA

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Post  toothycritter on Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:42 pm

hi mad i use size 6 for 90 percent of my piking size 4 if im throwing out a large dead ive stuck to this general rule and i have,nt lost many fish over 35 years angling for these beutiful Very Happy fish
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Re: HOOK SIZE 6'S OR 8'S

Post  Andy Webster on Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:55 pm

G'Day Big Fella (NKS) sunny Cool sunny
I have noticed there seem to be more angling writers recommending larger hooks such as size 4 or even 2. I think it may be that the pike aren't finicky so there is no reason to go small to attract more runs. Larger hooks may be easier to remove as they are less likely to go in up to the bend and get all three points stuck in. Also easier to get the forceps on. I used to use doubles because I found them easy to remove but I don't think they are widely used anymore. Barrie Rickards states in PAC30 that he once used doubles and lost/missed several fish so would never use them again. (I think I got that last bit right but I don't have the book in front of me)

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Re: HOOK SIZE 6'S OR 8'S

Post  Lefty on Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:52 pm

I always use 2 singles on my rigs.

Don't know what size they are cos I got them given to me. The 'top' hook is barbed and smaller than the other hook. I use this one to hook into the tail of the bait and then the 'bottom' hook (crushed barb) is threaded into and then back out of the flank of the bait fish.

I'll get a photo of one of my rigs and post it for everybody to see.

Suffered very few dropped or lost runs and the added bonus is that it is really easy to unhook.

Experimented with one single hook but don't think my version is a viable option but not willing to give up on that idea just yet. Just need to try a different hook I think.

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Post  bigchris on Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:37 pm

lefty youre rig sounds a bit like a pennel rig.the sort of thing i use when sea bass fishing Cool

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Post  Lefty on Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:32 pm

bigchris wrote:lefty youre rig sounds a bit like a pennel rig.the sort of thing i use when sea bass fishing Cool

I just looked up a pennel rig. It is very similar but fished 'straight thru' and not paternoster style as the pennel rig is.

I'll get one out of the shed tomorrow and post a piccy.
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Post  Andy Macfarlane on Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:23 am

It's still a pennel rig really. Salmon anglers often fish 'straight thru' as you put it, simply because it helps when mounting long baits like lobworms, large shrimp etc. Basically the only difference with your rig is you're using wire on your hooklength and sea-anglers tend to fish it on a stiff paternoster to keep baits up off the bottom. The 'pennel' part just refers to the 2 single setup.

Sorry, I'm drifting off the point here. I use size 4 VMC Trebles for the vast majority of my baits. I sometimes use Drennan Specialist Doubles, which are basically the same as Vic Bellars doubles. It's simply a single with a smaller single on the back for hooking the bait. I thing trebles can be a bit much on skinny baits like bootlace eels, lamprey sections, snake launce or just small baits, where trebles are just a bit over the top but that's just my preference. Like I say, for the vast majority of bits, I'll use size 4s. If I was fishing a water notorious for delivering large numbers of jacks, I might drop down to 6s but I'd have to be pulling my hair out with jacks climbing up the line for that to happen.

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Post  MAD BAD ANGLER on Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:30 am

THANKS GUYS. THINK I WILL TRY MOVING UP A HOOK SIZE.
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Post  wolfie on Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:16 pm

with me it depends on the size of the bait im using if its under 4 inches then its a single size 6 treble for baits 5in + its a tandem set of 8s for 6 nd half inch + its tandem size 6 trebles for half macs , herrings, eel and lamprey sections no matter what the size then again its tandem size 6s
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Re: HOOK SIZE 6'S OR 8'S

Post  Lefty on Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:40 am

OK everybody, here it is, as promised, my 2 single hook setup.

The lighter is in the shot to give you some idea as to the size of hooks used.
I have no idea what they are as I was given them.

The smaller top hook is barbed and can slide up and down the trace as it is held with a tight fitting sleeve of silicone tubing. This is hooked into the tail (through the bone) of the bait fish.

Bottom larger hook has a crushed barb. This is lightly hooked through the side of the bait fish and back out.

As bigchris stated, it is very much like a pennel rig used for sea fishing.

Using this rig, I have always found unhooking to be very easy and for about 75% of the time just the bottom hook has penetrated the pike's mouth.
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Post  Lefty on Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:43 am

Mmm....

No pic but the url is there.

Don't know what went wrong.
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Post  Lefty on Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:47 am

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Post  piker dom on Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:12 pm

Hi guys

Just looking at this thread which is very intreasting, i always use deads or lives no bigger than 5 inches and i use size 14;s or 12's twin trebles which i have always got on with and to be honest with you very rearley miss a run.
Casting wise im only chucking out 50 yards at the most so i use a 3/4 oz running lead and that rig for me.

but hey i say give anything a try move up or down the sizes and see how you get on.


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Re: HOOK SIZE 6'S OR 8'S

Post  John Dinnewell on Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:58 pm

Interesting views on sizes and methods and yet we all seem seem to catch ( well hopefully) I think like everything else its's a confidence thing. If something is working for you then why change.
For what it's worth for deadbaits I only use either size 2's or size 4's trebles which are always barbed unless rules mean I have to use semi barbed. IMHO and from what I have seen semi barbed hooks tend to slip in the mouth especially on a bigger thrashing Pike resulting in tearing the flesh form where the hookpoint entered. With barbed hooks once the barb is buried the hook will not slip. Use the correct un-hooking equipment and they come out without a problem.

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Post  esoxjeff on Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:25 pm

Hi MBA
i use a lot of ESP raptor singles size 1 and 2,as yet never had any faults hooking or unhooking,give em a try mate.........
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Post  Andy Macfarlane on Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:17 pm

My mate gave a reason for using trebles I found quite interesting. He reckons trebles divide the pressure applied on the hold up to 6 times, a bit like a bed of nails. I had never given it any consideration as a possible reason against the use of singles but it's definitely something I'll have to consider from now on. For now theory is all it is but it does make sense to me.
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Post  Andy Webster on Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:33 pm

What make of hooks are best folks?

I have several different types, never being a slave to one make. Some look better than others. There seems to be a lot of cheap and poor quality ones around.

The only ones I have asked for by name are VB Doubles.

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Re: HOOK SIZE 6'S OR 8'S

Post  Andy Macfarlane on Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:08 pm

Have a look at the VMC trebles at the start of this thread Andy. As for Vic Bellars doubles, you might have trouble tracking them down these days but I also listed the Drennan Specialist Doubles, which are basically the same.
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Post  noodle on Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:25 pm

match the hook to the bait its no use using two 2/0 on a lamprey section and likewise would you use a couple of 8's on a 12 ounce livebait?

best bet carry sizes suited to the baits your using for me thats 10's to 3/0's for my bait fishing
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Post  adamscott on Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:19 pm

I use mainly 6's and 4's for bait fishing but I do carry a couple of traces with some 8's and 2's attached just in case.

Andy what do you use the 3/0's on Shocked Shocked Shocked
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Post  Andy Macfarlane on Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:08 pm

Big livies most likely.
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Post  John Dinnewell on Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:42 pm

As an alternative size 2 Partridge doubles work very well on whole Lamprey. Although there is only one barbed exposed they sit very proud of the bait. I have used this method on one rod on and off this season and can't say I have missed any more runs than other rods with trebles on. If you fish pressured waters ( I don't at the moment) this presentation may give you an edge.

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Post  noodle on Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:07 am

adamscott wrote:I use mainly 6's and 4's for bait fishing but I do carry a couple of traces with some 8's and 2's attached just in case.

Andy what do you use the 3/0's on Shocked Shocked Shocked

big baits like bream they are a very deep bodied fish and something like a pound ish (used em to around 4lb, when anglers have them taken on the way in it would be rude not to use it as a bait when they offer the half dead thing to you) bream takes some big hooks
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Post  Andy Macfarlane on Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:15 am

noodle wrote:
adamscott wrote:I use mainly 6's and 4's for bait fishing but I do carry a couple of traces with some 8's and 2's attached just in case.

Andy what do you use the 3/0's on Shocked Shocked Shocked

big baits like bream they are a very deep bodied fish and something like a pound ish (used em to around 4lb, when anglers have them taken on the way in it would be rude not to use it as a bait when they offer the half dead thing to you) bream takes some big hooks

Andy Macfarlane wrote:Big livies most likely.

There you go. I do know some stuff....lol

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