Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
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Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
Hi
Could any of the experienced pike anglers on the forum explain in laymans terms what it means to fish slightly overdepth and how to rig up a float so that I can fish slightly overdepth?
I will be fishing in a reservoir or loch if these water conditions make a difference to the setup?
Cheers
Could any of the experienced pike anglers on the forum explain in laymans terms what it means to fish slightly overdepth and how to rig up a float so that I can fish slightly overdepth?
I will be fishing in a reservoir or loch if these water conditions make a difference to the setup?
Cheers
raf1870- Posts : 85
Join date : 2010-10-04
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
Hi there,
Heres an image, I photoshopped a while ago.
this is fishing overdepth to me!
Heres an image, I photoshopped a while ago.
this is fishing overdepth to me!
BigSi- Posts : 19
Join date : 2010-01-05
Age : 49
Location : Yorkshire/Norfolk
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
BigSi wrote:Hi there,
Heres an image, I photoshopped a while ago.
this is fishing overdepth to me!
great image bigsi......
basicaly using the ledger float setup you are fishing over depth...
i always fish over depth (unless drifting or roaming) so the pike feels less resistance on the initial pickup. This is also useful when fishing on a flowing river, fish over depth so a bow forms between your float and the lead, this will help stop your float being pulled under by the current.
newie2010- Posts : 335
Join date : 2010-10-18
Age : 44
Location : sleaford
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
If you have say 5ft of water in front of you and you fish at 6ft depth then that is fishing overdepth.
I float ledger this way by using a NON weighted float (Fox Deadbait Pencil) then tighten down to leave about inch and half poking out from the water. You must use enough weight to hold bottom but not too much so as to make the pike wary of the bait and drop it. I find that an 8gram egg sinker or above, depending on the conditions, is ideal. The weight goes at the junction of mainline and trace wire.
This setup is very sensitive and gives good bite indication. The float will lift and possibly lay flat when your bait is picked up or will sink out of sight if the pike runs as soon as grabbing the bait.
When I caught my PB pike I used this method and saw a very slight rise on my float, so stood over the rod in readiness. A few seconds later I saw the float start to move so struck and it was fish on.
Here is a link to a picture on the main website:
http://www.pikeangler.co.uk/articles/images/floatledgerrig.jpg
I float ledger this way by using a NON weighted float (Fox Deadbait Pencil) then tighten down to leave about inch and half poking out from the water. You must use enough weight to hold bottom but not too much so as to make the pike wary of the bait and drop it. I find that an 8gram egg sinker or above, depending on the conditions, is ideal. The weight goes at the junction of mainline and trace wire.
This setup is very sensitive and gives good bite indication. The float will lift and possibly lay flat when your bait is picked up or will sink out of sight if the pike runs as soon as grabbing the bait.
When I caught my PB pike I used this method and saw a very slight rise on my float, so stood over the rod in readiness. A few seconds later I saw the float start to move so struck and it was fish on.
Here is a link to a picture on the main website:
http://www.pikeangler.co.uk/articles/images/floatledgerrig.jpg
Lefty- Posts : 1297
Join date : 2008-08-26
Age : 54
Location : Cadeby
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
raf1870 wrote:Hi
I will be fishing in a reservoir or loch if these water conditions make a difference to the setup?
Cheers
im fishing a res on the 13th, now my plan is to using the ledger float (im fishing from the bank, not a boat) if you know the depth your fishing, then its simple, if you dont know, then you will have to have a play around with the stop knott untill you find the depth.
if your fishing a boat then id drift deads closer to bottom rather than over depth on it...
newie2010- Posts : 335
Join date : 2010-10-18
Age : 44
Location : sleaford
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
Lefty wrote:If you have say 5ft of water in front of you and you fish at 6ft depth then that is fishing overdepth.
I float ledger this way by using a NON weighted float (Fox Deadbait Pencil) then tighten down to leave about inch and half poking out from the water. You must use enough weight to hold bottom but not too much so as to make the pike wary of the bait and drop it. I find that an 8gram egg sinker or above, depending on the conditions, is ideal. The weight goes at the junction of mainline and trace wire.
This setup is very sensitive and gives good bite indication. The float will lift and possibly lay flat when your bait is picked up or will sink out of sight if the pike runs as soon as grabbing the bait.
When I caught my PB pike I used this method and saw a very slight rise on my float, so stood over the rod in readiness. A few seconds later I saw the float start to move so struck and it was fish on.
Here is a link to a picture on the main website:
http://www.pikeangler.co.uk/articles/images/floatledgerrig.jpg
yeah agree with that, you can also use light leads like 1oz to 3oz. i use the middle which is 2oz to 2.5oz
newie2010- Posts : 335
Join date : 2010-10-18
Age : 44
Location : sleaford
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
Thanks for the info so far.
Sadly I cannot seem to see the image posted
Sadly I cannot seem to see the image posted
raf1870- Posts : 85
Join date : 2010-10-04
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
hi there raf1870 my idea of slightly over depth is the sensitivity of the float is that the pike only has to sniff the bait you will know instantly on the float . I use this method which you might find usefull i use a map carp bagging float not wieghted it is fixed to the line with a silocon float adapter which you can ajust in a instant .Then fish your desired bait as normal but dont use a lead in any way .You dont need a lead because the weight of the bait will easily cock the float becausof the size of the float. I would advise fishing this float at a angle in surface film strike strait away if float lays flat or it will sail away mate it is so sensitve mate its like in a way fishing for tench useing the lift methodraf1870 wrote:Hi
Could any of the experienced pike anglers on the forum explain in laymans terms what it means to fish slightly overdepth and how to rig up a float so that I can fish slightly overdepth?
I will be fishing in a reservoir or loch if these water conditions make a difference to the setup?
Cheers
stubbo- Posts : 3976
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Age : 61
Location : Warrington
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
just to add to that last thread i would probably use that rig at close range say upto 25 yards
stubbo- Posts : 3976
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Location : Warrington
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
Can you use inline floats?
Lucan- Posts : 49
Join date : 2010-04-02
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
dont think you would get the same effect pal,the drennen floats are inline aswell as fixed/bottom eyed.your better with a float with a bottom eye for this methed
nickcarpy- Posts : 1717
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Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
Bugger. Tackle shop it is then!
Lucan- Posts : 49
Join date : 2010-04-02
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
a inline float will work fine for float ledgering i use them on the river when theres a bit of flow on
deadbait- Posts : 328
Join date : 2009-01-21
Location : batley
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
nickcarpy wrote:dont think you would get the same effect pal,the drennen floats are inline aswell as fixed/bottom eyed.your better with a float with a bottom eye for this methed
Deffinitely a bottom fixed float for this method. And don't forget, it has to be an UNLOADED float. Never use a loaded float for this method. In fact, a lot of experienced pikers will say never use a loaded pike float FULL STOP.
Lefty- Posts : 1297
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Location : Cadeby
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
lefty wrote
Deffinitely a bottom fixed float for this method. And don't forget, it has to be an UNLOADED float. Never use a loaded float for this method. In fact, a lot of experienced pikers will say never use a loaded pike float FULL STOP.
Well said leffty
Deffinitely a bottom fixed float for this method. And don't forget, it has to be an UNLOADED float. Never use a loaded float for this method. In fact, a lot of experienced pikers will say never use a loaded pike float FULL STOP.
Well said leffty
stephen abbott- Posts : 119
Join date : 2008-12-16
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
So to a bit of an amature what are inline floats for?
Lucan- Posts : 49
Join date : 2010-04-02
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
Float trolling?
And when float ledgering on a river where the flow is strong.
And trotting a bait on a river.
And float fishing a bait off the bottom on a stillwater.
I always go for bottom end only when float ledgering in the way that others have already described. The advantage of bottom only (IMHO) is that the float can be cocked against the weight of the bait by reeling in a bit of line. As soon as the bait is lifted the float will rise in the water more visibly than if it were inline. Just like using the lift method for tench. Inline will still give a good indication, but in my experience I prefer bottom end attachment.
Andy
And when float ledgering on a river where the flow is strong.
And trotting a bait on a river.
And float fishing a bait off the bottom on a stillwater.
I always go for bottom end only when float ledgering in the way that others have already described. The advantage of bottom only (IMHO) is that the float can be cocked against the weight of the bait by reeling in a bit of line. As soon as the bait is lifted the float will rise in the water more visibly than if it were inline. Just like using the lift method for tench. Inline will still give a good indication, but in my experience I prefer bottom end attachment.
Andy
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Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
Lucan wrote:So to a bit of an amature what are inline floats for?
heres one way to use one
http://pikefishingfreak.com/howtosetupaslidingfloatrig
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
Many thanks folks!
Lucan- Posts : 49
Join date : 2010-04-02
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
your bang on there mate stopped useing them floats years ago you cant allways spot alift bite on these floats when the bait gets lifted of the bottomLefty wrote:nickcarpy wrote:dont think you would get the same effect pal,the drennen floats are inline aswell as fixed/bottom eyed.your better with a float with a bottom eye for this methed
Deffinitely a bottom fixed float for this method. And don't forget, it has to be an UNLOADED float. Never use a loaded float for this method. In fact, a lot of experienced pikers will say never use a loaded pike float FULL STOP.
stubbo- Posts : 3976
Join date : 2010-01-14
Age : 61
Location : Warrington
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
Is it better to use a small lead on the mainline above the swivel or a couple of ssh on the trace? I would think going by the "less resistance" aproach a running rig would be better?
Also if you were to put this on an alarm for a bit say to cast another rod would you bother with a dropper? Baitrunner or open bail arm?
Sorry for the million questions! Lol
Also if you were to put this on an alarm for a bit say to cast another rod would you bother with a dropper? Baitrunner or open bail arm?
Sorry for the million questions! Lol
Lucan- Posts : 49
Join date : 2010-04-02
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
the wieght on the line should be balanced with the size of the float so when they pick up the bait the float is taking the wieght if you get what i mean.
the pike only has the wieght of the bait not that i think it matters much because i don't think they are that good a bait estimation (wieght )
the pike only has the wieght of the bait not that i think it matters much because i don't think they are that good a bait estimation (wieght )
kell- Posts : 1001
Join date : 2009-01-03
Age : 61
Location : woodlands,doncaster
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
loaded floats are GREAT orniments onlyLefty wrote:nickcarpy wrote:dont think you would get the same effect pal,the drennen floats are inline aswell as fixed/bottom eyed.your better with a float with a bottom eye for this methed
Deffinitely a bottom fixed float for this method. And don't forget, it has to be an UNLOADED float. Never use a loaded float for this method. In fact, a lot of experienced pikers will say never use a loaded pike float FULL STOP.
esoxjeff- Posts : 1171
Join date : 2008-09-09
Location : Doncaster
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
GUYS your right the loaded float is not a good bit of kit especially in winter...Winter Pike will usually take a bait slowly and the in some cases a lift bite will occur.Not so with a loaded float as i cannot lay flat on the waters surface.If you fish with an unloaded float it will pop up on the lift and sit on the surface then usually slide away.
On that note with Pike Float fishing i always watch my float/floats and only have the alarms on as a second indication of a take....So there you go each to his/her own.
On that note with Pike Float fishing i always watch my float/floats and only have the alarms on as a second indication of a take....So there you go each to his/her own.
BradfordLad- Posts : 130
Join date : 2009-11-01
Location : Bradford City
Re: Float Fishing - Fishing Slightly Overdepth
can someone recommend a float for this method? is the fox pencil an example?
thanks
thanks
megsta- Posts : 19
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