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Post  adamscott on Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:56 am

I have just read an article in P & P where the author is advocating the use of an up trace at all times when Pike fishing whatever method being used.

It is a good article with valid points being made.

I do use an up trace in certain situations like when using live-baits or paternostering, but I don't use one for all methods (that may change now).

In what situations do you use an up trace?
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Post  nightwatchman on Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:19 pm

I'd use uptraces for live baiting (which I rarely use) or paternosters and also some float fishing but can't see the advantage when fishing a deadbait on the deck? Rolling Eyes
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Post  robh107 on Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:32 pm

nightwatchman wrote:I'd use uptraces for live baiting (which I rarely use) or paternosters and also some float fishing but can't see the advantage when fishing a deadbait on the deck? Rolling Eyes

yes i also could see potential problems there... particularly with running ledgers because the top swivel (the one connecting the up trace to mainline) may get caught as it passes through the run ring causing the pike to feel the lead and drop the bait. this problem would also be impossible to avoid when fishing weedy/debris covered bottoms.
not for me i'm afraid... i'll just stick to using an uptrace if i'm livebaiting
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Post  greg on Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:33 pm

comes in handy if your deadbait trace becomes twisted, just clip it of and clip another on..........
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Post  Andy Webster on Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:16 am

The thing with P&P and other mag's is that they have to fill copy and sometimes that means publishing ideas that are not necessary. Did the Editor call the article thought provoking (link)

I am reading NJF's Piking in the 80's and the concept of an up trace didn't exist. You really need to use one when livebaiting as the bait can get itself wrapped around the main line. The up trace should be 50% longer than the trace.

If your normal trace is 18 - 24 inch long you can reduce this to 9 - 12 inch for livebaiting. Then use an up trace of 15 - 18 inch long. Any weight should be positioned between the two traces via your paternoster weak link.

I have never used one for deadbaiting.

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Post  stephen abbott on Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:21 pm

there is always a possibility of a bite off, when a up trace is not used, i guarantee you it will be a big fish when it happens.

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Post  nightwatchman on Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:17 pm

stephen abbott wrote:there is always a possibility of a bite off, when a up trace is not used, i guarantee you it will be a big fish when it happens.

Can't really see how you will get a bite off when deadbaiting on the deck.
The only time I could see a bite off is if the Pike is coming up quickly from under a bait and misjudges its line of attack! e.g float fishing at depth?
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Post  robh107 on Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:07 pm

stephen abbott wrote:there is always a possibility of a bite off, when a up trace is not used, i guarantee you it will be a big fish when it happens.

in 15 years of piking i have never had a bite-off.... whether it is when i'm deadbaiting, livebaiting or lure fishing.
if it wasnt going to be detrimental to the effectiveness of a free running ledger then yes i'd try it but i just dont see the point.
thats why all of my deadbait traces are made up to a length of 22"....... so it negates the possibility of a bite off as much as possible.
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Post  greg on Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:15 pm

the only way i can see a benifit from a up trace is if you leave your rods built up all the time. ie quickness for changeing a trace. nothing more than that.
i think i should have put a wee smiley face on my last post Very Happy Very Happy . their their aww better noo. Laughing
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Post  robh107 on Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:09 pm

greg wrote:the only way i can see a benifit from a up trace is if you leave your rods built up all the time. ie quickness for changeing a trace. nothing more than that.
i think i should have put a wee smiley face on my last post Very Happy Very Happy . their their aww better noo. Laughing

instead of using an uptrace for speed changing i'd just use a crosslock and swivel tied directly to the mainline mate.
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Post  greg on Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:16 pm

that is what i use rob, i use the fox ones. i was talking for others bud,thats the only reason i could see for haveing one Wink . i have my rods made up all the time, just attach a lead and trace and am fishing...
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Post  Andy Webster on Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:29 pm

greg wrote:that is what i use rob, i use the fox ones. i was talking for others bud,thats the only reason i could see for haveing one Wink . i have my rods made up all the time, just attach a lead and trace and am fishing...

Me too guys.

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Post  greg on Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:36 pm

Andy Webster wrote:
greg wrote:that is what i use rob, i use the fox ones. i was talking for others bud,thats the only reason i could see for haveing one Wink . i have my rods made up all the time, just attach a lead and trace and am fishing...

Me too guys.

Andy

its funny why p+p have it on there site, for newcomers to pikeing it would send them down the wrong road.
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Post  robh107 on Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:31 pm

greg wrote:
Andy Webster wrote:
greg wrote:that is what i use rob, i use the fox ones. i was talking for others bud,thats the only reason i could see for haveing one Wink . i have my rods made up all the time, just attach a lead and trace and am fishing...

Me too guys.

Andy

its funny why p+p have it on there site, for newcomers to pikeing it would send them down the wrong road.

yeah i gotta agree there mate Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad bom
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Post  greg on Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:39 pm

robh107 wrote:
greg wrote:
Andy Webster wrote:
greg wrote:that is what i use rob, i use the fox ones. i was talking for others bud,thats the only reason i could see for haveing one Wink . i have my rods made up all the time, just attach a lead and trace and am fishing...

Me too guys.

Andy

its funny why p+p have it on there site, for newcomers to pikeing it would send them down the wrong road.

yeah i gotta agree there mate Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad bom



so the answer to the question adam, no you dont need the uptrace bud. just do your own thing Very Happy
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Post  patch on Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:51 pm

got to agree with ya lads study
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Post  greg on Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:59 pm

patch wrote:got to agree with ya lads study

i see your still catching patch. your on a roll bro Very Happy
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Post  patch on Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:14 am

greg wrote:
patch wrote:got to agree with ya lads study

i see your still catching patch. your on a roll bro Very Happy

Very Happy nice 1 Greg av been luckey mate! on the last few catches Cool
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Post  noodle on Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:40 pm

nightwatchman wrote:I'd use uptraces for live baiting (which I rarely use) or paternosters and also some float fishing but can't see the advantage when fishing a deadbait on the deck? Rolling Eyes

in stillwaters or running?

certainly upstream fishing in a river requires one
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Post  nightwatchman on Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:56 pm

noodle wrote:
nightwatchman wrote:I'd use uptraces for live baiting (which I rarely use) or paternosters and also some float fishing but can't see the advantage when fishing a deadbait on the deck? Rolling Eyes

in stillwaters or running?

certainly upstream fishing in a river requires one

Good point noodles!
From my point of view I was talking about still waters.
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Post  Andy Webster on Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:16 pm

noodle wrote:
nightwatchman wrote:I'd use uptraces for live baiting (which I rarely use) or paternosters and also some float fishing but can't see the advantage when fishing a deadbait on the deck? Rolling Eyes

in stillwaters or running?

certainly upstream fishing in a river requires one

Good point Noodle. Theres more to this than I thought, but thats often my problem...thinking... lol!

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Post  Lefty on Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:51 pm

Andy Webster wrote:thats often my problem...thinking... lol! Andy

Mine too (or lack of it sometimes) Embarassed
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Post  esoxjeff on Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:21 pm

i have used up-traces for many years now, after a mate of mine got bite off from a big fish.
i use titanium as an uptrace(yes it is expensive outlay but i am still using the first 20 mtr i bought all thoose years ago, its indistructable).

the up-trace is 22" with a short hook length of standard wire of 16",purly for economical useage.
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Post  stubbo on Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:11 pm

had bad expierience with crosslok swivel lost a good fish never used them since .....prefere to tie swivel on drunken
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Post  greg on Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:22 pm

stubbo wrote:had bad expierience with crosslok swivel lost a good fish never used them since .....prefere to tie swivel on drunken

why, what did you do wrong.
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