carp rods suck

went fishing sunday broke my mates carp rod a rod supposed 2b able to take a 40lb carp. crap couldent even handle a 26lb pike seemed fine till my bro snapped it near in half ten min later while spinning now we in a quandry who pays for the new rod me that had just landed a monster fish on it or him who was using it for 10 min after me b4 it broke either way some1 got 2 pay upor my other mate gona be well pissed.

Was the weather hot and how are your rods stored when not in use? I ask because I broke a carp rod, which had landed 100s of good doubles to over 20lbs no problem and one day I left it in the baking sunshine and the bank was almost too hot too touch. Low and behold, I got a run, lifted into it and the rod folded like a knife right above the handle at the thickest part.

When I took it to Daiwa, they didn't say a word and even suggested the fact it had been baking all day could have caused expansion on on the top side of the rod, weakening it.

A small dink by a weight can also cause micro-fine fractures which may not appear visible to the naked eye but cause the blank to weaken over time.

Lots of things can cause a break. Take some piccies and show us and we might be able to help you.


....andy....

was a hot day but i wouldent say it was baking.i recon i wakened it catching my fish .mite add that this was a replacement top half previous top half also broke in two on a piking trip last year.coicedence i think not.anyhow hope to get a replacement again then never using again ty

When I got kitted up to start Piking in November of last year at Walkers of Trowell, the chap in the shop was trying to sell me a Free Spirit Pike rod at £118! When I informed him I was after two rods at around £50 apiece, the only rods they had within the budget were Shimano ones.. When I asked why the big price difference, he mumbled something about the quality of the Free Spirit Carbon & it not "softening" over time as much with use
I bought 2 x Shimano 2.5lb TC Carp rods & am happy with them I also have 2 x Wychwood Extremis 3lb TC rods which are 'Pike rods' & these are very good also..

I've got 4 carp rods I use for pike fishing and none have given me any bother. I think you've just been sold a pup.

....andy....

Allan, my mate's rod snapped in half landing a 13lb carp the other week. It was a 3lb TC carbon carp rod but I can't remember the make.

Upon closer inspection, it would appear it had a hairline crack in it where it snapped. How and when it got damaged cannot be ascertained.

I can't comment on degradation of carbon blanks as, to be honest, not heard of this until now.

i've used the same 4 rods for carping and piking plus the odd bit of mackerel fishing since i was 13 years old.... some 15 years since and i've never had any problems with any of them
(1 pair of century armalite 2 3/4lb t/c and 1 pair of daiwa whisker kevlar 2 1/4lb t/c).
sounds like either clumsy handling or damage to me.

robh107 wrote:i've used the same 4 rods for carping and piking plus the odd bit of mackerel fishing since i was 13 years old.... some 15 years since and i've never had any problems with any of them
(1 pair of century armalite 2 3/4lb t/c and 1 pair of daiwa whisker kevlar 2 1/4lb t/c).
sounds like either clumsy handling or damage to me.

yeah but you only look 15

runs away laughing face

what whiskers are they, old dictators?

i have been using the same two carp rods for pike for 15 years plus a century armalite that is five years old, sure they ave seen better days,but however they have been looked after. i guess rod breakage is caused by either a manufacturing fault or people not looking after their gear properly. probably the latter

My rod I use for carp and pike is a 3pce Dragon Carp 2.5lb TC that cost me the massive sum of £12.50 BRAND NEW !!

Before that I had another Dragon Carp rod. It was the same rod but in a 2pce design. Sold that to a mate for a tenner 15 months after buying it. Depreciation? don't know what you mean

Neither rod has given me cause for concern as to it's strength or capabilities. A sound investment if you don't mind me saying so

The only concerns about it (them) is the weight. But seeing as the rod is only in my hands whilst casting/reeling in or playing a fish it's not really a major concern. I will however be upgrading to a carbon rod as and when I can afford to in order to eradicate the weight issue.

I'll be keeping the Dragon Carp one though as a back up rod or for the odd bit of sea fishing.

ive never handled the dragon rods, are they glassfibre?

noodle wrote:ive never handled the dragon rods, are they glassfibre?

I cant see anywhere on the rod or the website that states the material used for construction but would suspect that they are indeed made from fibreglass.

the joints will give it away they are usualy beige not always granted.

im considering buying some 3 piece rods and would prefer glass, and the cheaper the better car boot rods to get knocked about on days out to the seaside etc, and at 12.50 mybe worth a look

Here's the link to the rod on their website:

http://www.dragoncarpdirect.com/acatalog/DC244C.html

They also do 2 pce rods at a tenner and also do 'pike rods' which I suspect are the same rods but in a green finish instead of black. Gavin1928 got given the Dragon Pike set they do as a present about 18 months ago and is impressed with them for the price that they sell for. Don't like the mono that they come with though

They also do sea rods.

For anybody wanting to get into fishing on a budget I don't think you can go wrong at all.

Not had chance today to look at the joints but will do and report back.

Just had a look at the rod and it's inconclusive.

The 'male' section of the joint is blocked off and the 'female' section is the same finish as the rod itself i.e. smooth matt black.

I dare say that they are fibreglass or else they wouldn't sell for the price they are.

the rod might be graphite,my main stalking rod is made with that an i wouldnt swap it for gold.servrd me well an had endless fun/fish on it.just got sum new greys xflite rods,they are made by a new matrial so going to give them ago.also come with a life time warranty same as my berkly b1,s.

noodle wrote:

robh107 wrote:i've used the same 4 rods for carping and piking plus the odd bit of mackerel fishing since i was 13 years old.... some 15 years since and i've never had any problems with any of them
(1 pair of century armalite 2 3/4lb t/c and 1 pair of daiwa whisker kevlar 2 1/4lb t/c).
sounds like either clumsy handling or damage to me.

yeah but you only look 15

runs away laughing face

what whiskers are they, old dictators?

they are original whiskers, my uncle actually sold me them when he bought a set of dictator pike's.

shakespear osdas pike 90 pound a rod not bad great blanks never let me down and a pair a fox dead bait rods like the full cork handles on them good pice a kit ...........

carp rods are for carp and pike rodsare made for pike 2lb test nooooooooo good fur pike need at least 2.75 to 3ootest

cheech123 wrote:carp rods are for carp and pike rodsare made for pike 2lb test nooooooooo good fur pike need at least 2.75 to 3ootest

id disagree with that

some 'carp' blanks make fantastic pike rods

harrison ballistas anyone, or armalites, ak47s were top rods as well

a couple of others below

anyone ever use the symetere ck's ? there was a predator version and a carp version
the difference a tenner and a cork handle on the predator version.
i still own the higher range version of those the super ultegras, the 3's are not much use for piking in general being fast actioned blanks, the 2.75 compound taper version is fantastic for medium deads and liveys and is generally one of the first bait rods packed when im hitting any reasonable sized water

the original range masters again probably one of the best rods ive seen available for general piking, the same goes for the original warrior (id say it was the same blank)

2lb is fine in some situations in others 3lb is too light, again a lot depends on the action of the rod a bargain 3 lb rod may not work well at range or trying to drag fish and baits up over shelves

i use rods for pikeing that range from 2-3.5 covering lengths between 9 and 13 feet

my 13 3.5 would be no use fishing fresh sardines on the far bank of a drain

llikewise the 9 2.5's would not be much use throwing foot long herrings on the glacials

each rod has its uses and as with anything inappropriate tackle may cause more problems than its worth

i have ,and have had 2lb century canons (fantastic soft bait rod with an amazing amount of power lower down)
hutchys imx's in 2.25 which were possibly one of the best rods ive used for any fish that swims,
the original diaflash from shimano (11ft) 2.25 which again put a lot of higher test rods to shame when it comes to piling pressure on.
shakespere odessas in 3lb tc which were ok with smaller baits (5 ounce ish at the most) and shorter range work (the imx's put performed them in every way)
penn pike master 3.5 tc rods amazing big bait big lead rods but a little slow to set the hooks even with braid
fox pikers in 3.25 probably the best out and out pike rod i own
the super ultegras good and bad the threes get used on long range waters when needed and thats about it
shimano aero speciman in 13ft 3.5 fast action, nothing beats this as a big lead little bait rod for monster casts and long range drifting
nine foot esox spin masters in 2.5 tc which are my canal drain bait lure boat rods

thats just the bait rods for bank fishing i have dedicated boat rods and lure rods too again each has its own function

have a think about this how much pressure can you exert on a fish once the rod has locked up?

i bet you can put more on with an eleven foot 2.25 than you can with a 12 foot 3.5 fast actioned rod

its all there in principles of leverage.

your pivot point is the reel, and the lever end for you the butt. the fish has the same pivot point but has the blank above the reel as the lever.
now which gives the highest leverage to the fish?

if i had to get anyone to buy a rod for piking at the budget end it would be a carp rod such as a warrior outlaw, or the wychwood one all of which do a fantastic job at the price.

i agree with noodle totally... it depends on the situation as to what rod is required.
i use two pairs of rods, both with totally different actions:
2x century armalite 2 3/4lb t/c with a nice through action which bends the rod all the way through to the bottom of the butt when under extreme pressure (extremely useful for large pike on big waters)
2x daiwa whisker 2 1/4lb t/c with a tip to middle action which is nice and soft in the top 3rd of the rod, and yet packs nearly as much punch as my armalites for playing pike. (already mentioned earlier in this thread).
i've had pike well over 30lb on both types of rod under quite demanding conditions, and to me the only differences i take into account when choosing which rod to employ are as follows:
soft or small baits/short distances/small rivers/drains=daiwas.
tougher or bigger baits/long distances/larger or snaggy waters=armalites
you cant by any means just go by the test curve when choosing a pike rod......... and incidentally both pairs of rods i use are supposedly labelled CARP lmao, methinks i might redo the graphics on them to say PREDATOR just for a laugh!!!