hook placement, half baits

Thumbs up from me mate......

just made some new traces
got it well sussed
thanks adie found the link very useful

Does anyone know any websites where they sell everything you need to make your own traces like crimps crimpers hooks etc in kit form?

Don't know about kits But  these two are good and I'm sure other members will have their own favourites   
Click on links below   

Glasgow angling center

The tackle shop ( Nev Fickling )

iam right into this trace making tonight
even making patanostas lol
its easy when you are showed

Try this Tom http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wire-Trace-Kit-/390754347983?pt=UK_SportingGoods_FishingAcces_RL&hash=item5afac62bcf

silkmen wrote:iam right into this trace making tonight
even making patanostas lol
its easy when you are showed

be careful when buying shop bought traces some can be dreadfuly made

stick to the well known makes muck

like I said I always make my own 30lb wire size 4 fox trebles a good strong quiet big swivel or the cross loc type swivel and 18lb reel line which I change every year might swap over to braid this year ......... but on some waters it is banned ive been told

Why would braid be banned????

Carp waters ban it. It is said it cuts into the fish when playing them.

The older styles of braid were extremely thin and have been blamed for cutting the mouths of fish when used as a hook length, the same could be said of plain old mono and flourocarbon. Match anglers (using poles and broom handle stiff margin poles) hauling the carp in as fast as they can to get into a net, and the real carp (bivvy and brew kit) anglers have blamed each other for years over the issue.

Braid used as a mainline does very occasionally lift the body scales of carp and bigger fish as they go through the process of trying to escape. Some Fishery owners have blanket banned braid as a result, some have only banned it as a hook length and some only as a mainline.

The modern braided (coated) hooklength materiel is far kinder to the fish and causes less damage than was originally thought.

There's a venue which I really want to try out but they only allow single hooks no trebles but Iv been to somewhere before with same rules and every time I was getting a run I would wind down and strike and near enough always the single hooks were still attached to the bait and the pike would just spook and drop it what's everyone's tips for single hooks?

Im catching a few on singles at the minute pal. I can't speak for everyone Tom, but I have been catching on ACE long shank carp hooks as a single hook. They are literally razor sharp so be very careful . Obviously I have been using them in conjunction with smaller baits and have been hitting the runs at the very first indication. they have helped put a few decent fish on the bank this season and were recommended to me by a carp angler in the tackle trade. Have belief and confidence in them and you will get results.

I like the idea because they make it look more subtle but the problem is (I think) when I strike with a treble only one hook is attached to the bait leaving two hooks to set on the fish where as a single has no way of hooking unless you pull it free with the first strike if that makes sense lol I was thinking of making something like a kebab rig for example just not cut the fish up when I put it on.

Could you not just use a casting clip and lightly hook the bait through the skin.

I never even thought of that with the braid but kinda obvious when you think about it.

double hair rig

make up a trace with two decent wide gape hooks like cox and rawle crab hooks then tie braid hairs to each hook and attach the bait to the hair

That's what I'm thinking noodle just going to make couple different length hairs I think

noodle wrote:double hair rig

make up a trace with two decent wide gape hooks like cox and rawle crab hooks then tie braid hairs to each hook and attach the bait to the hair

what size singles do you use? there is a tendancy to use massive single hooks to over compensate for the treble. Have a look at the size of the huge hooks in the spinner baits and rubber lures for instance. Another failing of the single hook useage is that they tend to fold flat against the side of the bait fish and dont have a good start for a hook hold, even when in the pikes mouth.

Single hooks used on a hair (kebab style) are better because the hook is completely free and hanging underneath a smallish bait and will have more chance of a hook hold.

I know Tom has been limited to a single hook rule and all of the above suggestions are helpful but far better in my view to have a set of smaller trebles than a single massive wide gape hook. I even cut the silly size top single hooks off my rubber lures and substitute a set of smaller trebles instead.

I asked about the rule at a fishery Iv been to before and he said it stops deep hooking?? I personally can't see how having a single can stop you deep hooking i suppose it may make it easier getting a deep hook out tho not really a fan of the idea if I'm honest

Also I was thinking of same style as kebab but instead of cutting the fish up just use long bait needle through a roach and have the single at the tail end swinging around all freely I agree with you matt about the size just going to use one similiar size to a size six or four treble?

matt859 wrote:

noodle wrote:double hair rig

make up a trace with two decent wide gape hooks like cox and rawle crab hooks then tie braid hairs to each hook and attach the bait to the hair

what size singles do you use?  there is a tendancy to use massive single hooks to over compensate for the treble.  Have a look at the size of the huge hooks in the spinner baits and rubber lures for instance.  Another failing of the single hook useage is that they tend to fold flat against the side of the bait fish and dont have a good start for a hook hold, even when in the pikes mouth.

Single hooks used on a hair (kebab style) are better because the hook is completely free and hanging underneath a smallish bait and will have more chance of a hook hold.

I know Tom has been limited to a single hook rule and all of the above suggestions are helpful but far better in my view to have a set of smaller trebles than a single massive wide gape hook.  I even cut the silly size top single hooks off my rubber lures and substitute a set of smaller trebles instead.

size 2 or 1 for a normal bait company sort of joey, i wouldnt use them with anything bigger, ive used 2/0 etc as a single with a length of lamprey as a single hook for absolute distance work though that was casting 120 upwards when i could do that