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Post  nightwatchman on Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:32 pm

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Nice job Mr Makk. Wink
I used to double back my trace wire into the crimps like you, however I noticed on some long distance casting my main line sometimes would get caught on that loop!
So now I don't bother to double it back and then place some shrink tubing on to tidy it up.

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Post  alex wyness on Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:47 pm

MrMakk wrote:I was shown how to make traces by Bazz.........The thing that gets me is that you have all diffrent crimps and swivles etc.... What would you list as a kit for someone like me (who is starting deadbaiting/ what crimp size,wire poundage sixe hooks etc...)?
dead baiting is a thing of ther past fot me i have a new way to catch pike not done before would you like to know

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Post  Alex Makk on Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:40 am

nightwatchman wrote:
MrMakk wrote:

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Nice job Mr Makk. Wink
I used to double back my trace wire into the crimps like you, however I noticed on some long distance casting my main line sometimes would get caught on that loop!
So now I don't bother to double it back and then place some shrink tubing on to tidy it up.

Jobs a good un' afro

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it's called 'double back' Rolling Eyes i was wondering what is was called, i probably knew it and just forgot Rolling Eyes
cheers


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Post  Alex Makk on Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:44 am

alex wyness wrote:
MrMakk wrote:I was shown how to make traces by Bazz.........The thing that gets me is that you have all diffrent crimps and swivles etc.... What would you list as a kit for someone like me (who is starting deadbaiting/ what crimp size,wire poundage sixe hooks etc...)?
dead baiting is a thing of ther past fot me i have a new way to catch pike not done before would you like to know

Not at the moment Alex, Smile
I'm still learning baitfishing and yet have not caught a fish on this method, Crying or Very sad
I don't want to add more to my plate than what i can handle, if you get what I mean Wink Smile
Cheers anyway,


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Post  onetoner on Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:49 am

with traces i think it comes down to what you prefer or what works for you. i like carbo flex but some people think its too stiff and its trashed after 1 or 2 encounters with a tothy critter but it works for me,,, as for hooks at the momment im using kamassan size 6 semi barbed which work ok. i prefer partridge wide gape trebles but not every shop stocks them and of course proper swivels designed for the job.. i always like too have a lesser breaking strain wire than main line so that if it came to a break then the trace would go first
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Post  adie1200 on Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:29 am

alex wyness wrote:
MrMakk wrote:I was shown how to make traces by Bazz.........The thing that gets me is that you have all diffrent crimps and swivles etc.... What would you list as a kit for someone like me (who is starting deadbaiting/ what crimp size,wire poundage sixe hooks etc...)?
dead baiting is a thing of ther past fot me i have a new way to catch pike not done before would you like to know

So Alex when are you going to let us in on this secret weapon of yours Very Happy Very Happy

Don't keep us in suspense for too long mate Laughing Laughing

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Post  alex wyness on Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:48 pm

i'm only waiting on the bank manager giving me the cash to get this this new product in every fishing shop in the uk will be sold world wide as well . i will give out my website soon . it takes a lot of time to get this up a running . Very Happy

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Post  robh107 on Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:28 pm

alex wyness wrote:i'm only waiting on the bank manager giving me the cash to get this this new product in every fishing shop in the uk will be sold world wide as well . i will give out my website soon . it takes a lot of time to get this up a running . Very Happy

well time will tell alex.... i hope it goes well for you Very Happy
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Post  Alex Makk on Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:49 pm

I have just made a trace with the shrink tubing which nightwatchman has suggested,

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anyone tell me any pros or cons with trace i have made? i dont want to make a bunch of em then to find out they not going to work proper.
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Post  robh107 on Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:08 am

looks fine to me alex..... you even tie the second treble on the same way i do Very Happy
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Post  esoxjeff on Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:03 pm

nice job Mr Makk, why not get hold of some red shrink tube, it gives that little extra attractive look ( red bait tags) home made traces - Page 3 Icon_biggrin
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Post  Alex Makk on Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:11 pm

esoxjeff wrote:nice job Mr Makk, why not get hold of some red shrink tube, it gives that little extra attractive look ( red bait tags) home made traces - Page 3 Icon_biggrin

will look out for them (i thought they came in only black 'n' green) thanks jeff
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Post  nightwatchman on Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:25 pm

Nice job Mr Makk

How far apart are your trebles?
If your using Smelt or Roach then 3" is about right. You can move up to 4" or more for big mackeral Wink
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Post  Alex Makk on Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:38 pm

nightwatchman wrote:Nice job Mr Makk

How far apart are your trebles?
If your using Smelt or Roach then 3" is about right. You can move up to 4" or more for big mackeral Wink

i use the width of my hand as a guage it's about 3" away,
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Post  nightwatchman on Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:44 pm

To get them spot on I measure mine with a tape or ruler.
All mine are spot on 3" Wink
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Post  Alex Makk on Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:51 pm

nightwatchman wrote:To get them spot on I measure mine with a tape or ruler.
All mine are spot on 3" Wink

does it help with the size of the bait when having to spot on measure, or can it be dond in my way of guageing?
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Post  esoxjeff on Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:56 pm

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esoxjeff wrote:nice job Mr Makk, why not get hold of some red shrink tube, it gives that little extra attractive look ( red bait tags) home made traces - Page 3 Icon_biggrin

will look out for them (i thought they came in only black 'n' green) thanks jeff

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Post  nightwatchman on Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:02 pm

Mr makk.

You just need to make sure your traces are suitable to the size of the bait you use.
The majority of my baits are smelt, roach and joey mackerel or cut down full mackerel so 3" is right for my use.
All you need to make sure is if the top treble goes through the root of the tail the next treble down should not go past the gill covers or the head or you will not have any soft flesh to put the treble into.
Also if the second treble is 1/2 or 3/4 down the flank you will get a better hook up rate when the pike grabs your bait. Wink
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Post  Alex Makk on Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:13 pm

nightwatchman wrote:Mr makk.

You just need to make sure your traces are suitable to the size of the bait you use.
The majority of my baits are smelt, roach and joey mackerel or cut down full mackerel so 3" is right for my use.
All you need to make sure is if the top treble goes through the root of the tail the next treble down should not go past the gill covers or the head or you will not have any soft flesh to put the treble into.
Also if the second treble is 1/2 or 3/4 down the flank you will get a better hook up rate when the pike grabs your bait. Wink

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Post  greg on Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:56 pm

[quote="nightwatchman"]

All you need to make sure is if the top treble goes through the root of the tail the next treble down should not go past the gill covers or the head or you will not have any soft flesh to put the treble into.


thats to far bud, asking for trubble. hook no further than the dorsel fin.
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Post  nightwatchman on Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:26 am

Yeah, thats the point im trying to raise.
The dorsal fin is the best place but we all know baits come in all different sizes and you sometimes find your last treble doesn't always end up where you want it to go.
I suppose the best bet is to carry 2 or 3 of every size? But you'd end up with quite a big collection!
That's why sometimes you have to find a compromise?
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Post  greg on Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:10 pm

nightwatchman wrote:Yeah, thats the point im trying to raise.
The dorsal fin is the best place but we all know baits come in all different sizes and you sometimes find your last treble doesn't always end up where you want it to go.
I suppose the best bet is to carry 2 or 3 of every size? But you'd end up with quite a big collection!
That's why sometimes you have to find a compromise?

if you have your hook around the area of the head isnt that asking for trouble, can you compromise the life of a 20lber. just make up a trace on the bank, or carry the traces to the bank.
i aint being funny, when you go on about pikes safety and deep hooking then comment like that. Very Happy
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Post  patch on Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:14 pm

comment like what Laughing
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Post  adie1200 on Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:21 pm

One thing more important than where to put the hooks is knowing when to pull into a run I.E Good bite indication !!
It doesn't matter where you put the hooks if you strike too late you have more chance of deep hooking !!
But yes the hooks are best put towards the tail end of your bait to help towards avoiding bad hookups

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Post  nightwatchman on Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:35 pm

Greg I think you've got the wrong end of the stick!

I'm not advocating hooking it in the head with a treble.
In my post I said the bottom treble should not go past the gill covers or the head so that means don't hook it in the head!

In practicable terms we all know that fish come in different sizes and so do traces, its down to the angler to make sure the set up is fish friendly.
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